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What do you have as SSJ2's normal multiplier without the rage? Because I feel like SSJ2 Gohan still gets enough respect that he should be above SSJ adults.

Yeah Majin Vegeta vs. Goku is a tough one because Goku's damage alone is basically equal to SSJ2 Gohan's entire Ki pool but he was still in SSJ2 form. I guess you could say you can still maintain SSJ2 at 45% of your full power based on Gohan still having it after dropping to less than half his...

He just said "If I'm entering, I would like to win... For that, my body has gotten too soft. I need to take a break from school to train." He never said he would win for sure. I also think Gohan never expected SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta judging from his shock at them fighting at that level.

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Well Gohan never said he would actually win, he said if he's entering the tournament he'd rather fight to win.

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I guess that works but it's still hard to wrap my mind around Vegeta having to stress twice in the same arc that Gohan was rusty and weaker than his prime. Even Goku was dumbfounded and said he'd really slacked off. Since Gohan is a fighting genius and would regain fighting instincts pretty...

Training with a Super Saiyan should make him stronger dawg, Trunks even said Goten had gotten a lot stronger in a short time when they fought in the tourney.

How weak do you have post-power ball Vegeta? I think Goku had a good sense of how fast he'd be since he could recognize straight away that Vegeta's ki fell.

He openly admitted he was rusty before he started to re-train. If he didn't weaken at all over the 7 years then the month of training would bring him above his kid self, that's why I don't like this theory.

I don't like this theory honestly, we've seen others weaken from getting older or rusting, and Vegeta seemed pretty sure that Gohan had been slacking just from seeing him at Capsule Corp. once.

KKx5 Goku would be over twice as strong as base Vegeta and that much faster too, based on Oozaru Vegeta's speed feats it looks like he wouldn't be nearly as fast as that. But KKx5 wouldn't be able to damage him in the least since Oozaru Vegeta is cleanly above 40K in power, and Goku would...

As for the 18,000 speed, maybe that's wrong since it'd be on par with a healthy Vegeta and Vegeta even prior to firing the Galick-ho took a lot of damage from KKx3 Goku. Maybe big monkey Vegeta is at 15K in speed.

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dragon_Ball-buyao_daolian_ya/0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol16/127-0ezlX.jpg Goku dodged his punch cleanly but Vegeta was able to perceive his flight path and whack him with his tail. It seems like his reaction speed is good but his overall speed is inhibited...

But then you have Goku managing to dodge Oozaru Vegeta's punch by using a rudimentary Kaio-ken (while out of Ki). It doesn't seem like Oozaru Vegeta is all that fast. Supposing he is faster, what do you think of him having 18,000 speed as opposed to 50,000 power level? @Power Level Guy

He doesn't say he's even faster now. It's the same comment that Roshi or whoever it was made when they said Piccolo even while big isn't slow. He wouldn't need a speed boost since Goku would just poop himself out with the KKx5 strain and Oozaru is physically stronger.

It's hard to say because we never even see Goku fighting in his lower forms as an adult. I'd say SSJ2's multiplier had more impressive showings in the Cell arc but if you asked someone who works at Toei which is the bigger multiplier he'd probably say SSJ4. Even in GT though, it looks like...

Guts would never become an Apostle honestly. He'd literally rather die. Not to mention he should know that all Apostles feel the need to submit to Griffith so he'd just be doing himself a huge disservice, other than probably regaining his arm and eye and having eternal youth (which doesn't mean...

Also on that subject, that's the place where Goku mentions a KKx5 wouldn't even work against Oozaru Vegeta, but Viz being Viz mistranslated that line for some reason lol. They also removed the 10x Oozaru multiplier by saying "A Saiyan is most powerful in the great ape form... One that still has...