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I was literally clarifying what you were saying. Are you saying that your own logic is retarded?

He's saying that much like how Trunks and Vegeta were the strongest against 18, Buu and Gohan were the strongest against Buu because the scenes are similar. I don't really see that being the case. It's just coincidental.

I'm not sure. That was right before the tournament started so he probably made the bulk of his improvement prior.

Kaioshin obviously forgot about Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. That is literally why Kaioshin blatantly recalls Gohan's power after Goku defeated Yakon. It was at that moment that Kaioshin realized that the Saiyans, quote on quote, could put forth tremendous power in an instant. That was when Kaioshin...

@FeatsofPower I agree. It's definitely tough making it all work. It essentially means you have to reduce the gap between Kaioshin and Piccolo and the gap between Piccolo and Android 18. The gap between Android 18 and Kaioshin would ultimately need to be considerably less than the gap between...

That's a great observation. I personally feel that it is the case because otherwise, Goku and Gohan logically shouldn't be able to fuse in the first place.

I think you talked me out of the 10x SSJ multiplier. With the Super Saiyan Kids being roughly on par with the Cell Juniors, Base Kids ~ Android 18 and 10x Android Arc Super Saiyan Goku ~ SSJG3 Android Arc Goku> Initial Semi Cell, I feel like a 50x SSJ multiplier is sort of required. I tried to...

It was a joke. I thought you would never return. Honestly, things have been a bit boring without you. I don't have an issue with the chain. You convinced me that the Base Kids are around Android 18's level. The difficult part is trying to tame the gap between the Adults and the Kids because I...

It's not the only one. For one, the implication is reinforced when Gohan never opted to use Super Saiyan against someone he deemed much stronger than Piccolo until he was asked to do it.

Blue Goku (ToP)/Blue Vegeta (ToP) ~ Kaioken Blue Goku (Exhibition) ~ Toppo. Vegeta was training in the RoSaT prior to the ToP and Goku was likely training and getting stronger during the recruitment phase. During their final battle against Jiren, both Saiyans obviously got much stronger.

What the hell?

I don't think Suppressed Piccolo should be stronger than Android 20 (Post-Vegeta).

True. The way I think of it is that Gohan had muscle memory and merely had to regain what he lost which i s much easier than making new gains.

If we're leaning on that angle, I think Base Trunks should be above SSJ Vegeta. Android 18: 100 Base Trunks: 80-85 SSJ Vegeta: 66-70 I think Base Trunks could definitely be above Android 18 but not considerably. Trunks definitely didn't want to take Android 18's ki blast directly and the...

That could be in reference to Pre-Budokai Gohan.

The movie continuity doesn't seem to acknowledge Kaioken or Blue Evolved so I would assume the Gammas were on par with the Broly Blue Saiyans at best. Ultimate Piccolo is close to the Gammas and Android 17 is fairly close to the ToP Blue Saiyans so I would give it to the duo here. Broly Golden...

I don't think it's as drastic as most believe it is because Tao Pai Pai still serves as a relevant benchmark for the contestants. It would still need to account for TB22 Goku (Battle Level) > Korin > Tenshinhan > Goku (Match Level) > Roshi > Tsuru-sennin > Tao Pai Pai where Roshi lost track of...

That's what it is but he still powers into it. It's obviously not his natural state. It's something he entered into consciously after the ritual concluded. That would be a better explanation for why Gohan could fuse with Goku just fine.

Cool list. My only issues are that SSJ Trunks is too far from Goku and Vegeta, Imperfect Cell (Pre) is too close to the Androids, and Perfect Cell (Fake Ki) is too close to Vegeta. Android 16 doesn't say that Vegeta might be, or a bit stronger than Cell. He only claims that Vegeta should be...

I always figured that "Ultimate Gohan" was a separate state of being for Gohan. It brings out all of his dormant power to the surface in his normal state which enables him to power into the "mightiest of warriors". The way I see it is that fusing would only take into consideration of Gohan's...