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  1. Papasmurf

    Goku and Kibitoshin Brought the BSDBs Back to Earth In Time?

    GT's writing is often idiotic and this is one of the examples. They only need to get on 7 specific planets, and have over a dozen Z senshi that are ready to do it. All they literally need is to go to New Namek (which they can do in minutes with Kibitoshin's Kai Kai) and wish for Porunga to tell...
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    Goku and Kibitoshin Brought the BSDBs Back to Earth In Time?

    There was clearly a multiple-week timeframe for the Earth to explode, which is plenty of time for them to just teleport to New Namek and wish for Porunga to tell them the location of the BSDBs and then use either Galu or Kibitoshin's teleportation techniques to find them and bring them back...
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    Goku and Kibitoshin Brought the BSDBs Back to Earth In Time?

    Are you trolling, or do you lack reading comprehension? I am saying that the Baby arc happened and that everyone went back to Earth in this scenario, found out that the Earth will explode in a couple of weeks, and then used whatever means they had (Dragon Radars, Namekian Dragon Balls) to...
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    Goku and Kibitoshin Brought the BSDBs Back to Earth In Time?

    This is operating under the pretense that the BSDB and Baby arcs happened, and that in the 2 weeks or so they had before the Earth exploded, Galu played it smart and used his and Kibitoshin's teleportation abilities to regather the BSDBs. He has SSJ4 and Bulma has the Bruits wave technology to...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    Again, her calling Kefla a perfect fighter when she is weaker and has less special abilities than Hit would be madness. In the Japanese version they call Frost the best hand to hand fighter on the team (rather than the best warrior), and at this point Cabba had yet to learn how to turn SSJ...
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    Goku and Kibitoshin Brought the BSDBs Back to Earth In Time?

    Let's say that Galu and Kibitoshin used their Shunkan Idou and Kai Kai to bring the UDBs/BSDBs back to Earth in time, perhaps using the Namekian Dragon Balls to learn where in the universe they all were if they run into the problem of it being too hard to keep spamming teleportation between...
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    Blue Kaioken Goku

    Highly doubt it was 20x, or Jiren wouldn't have just stood there taking the punches. 2-3x at most.
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    So why is everybody making fun of each other's names SIAD = Shit I Am Dumb

    So why is everybody making fun of each other's names SIAD = Shit I Am Dumb
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    One thing GT did better than Super

    The first episode where Syn appeared didn't even have Syn battling Goku for a third of the episode. Goku fought the ice guy first and it was just a onesided stomp with the only surprise being a blinding attack. And Goku vs. Kid Boo which is basically Z's equivalent to the final fight in GT had...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    Golden Freeza confirmed he wasn't serious/was suppressed against Kale though. And Vados strongly implies that Kefla > Hit anyway, since saying that Kefla is the ideal warrior despite her being inferior to Hit would be like if Fat Boo took out SSJ2 Majin Vegeta first, and Piccolo while watching...
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    One thing GT did better than Super

    "Syn" vs. Goku was mostly shit. The entire episode where the infamous clock throwing scene was from was worse than any episode centering around Goku fighting Jiren in animation, choreography and even general logic other than Goku having limitless stamina for plot reasons in the Jiren fight. The...
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    One thing GT did better than Super

    Because MUI Galu vs. Jiren took the entire episode and was essentially the final fight. The rematch with #17 and Freeza joining in afterwards was more like an afterthought, and didn't even last half the episode due to ep. 131 concluding both the ToP and the post-ToP wrap up.
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    One thing GT did better than Super

    MUI Galu vs. Jiren didn't reuse any animation. UI Sign Galu vs. Jiren did, and it was still a lot more fluid and had higher framerate than any GT fight. Ofc you also need to take into account that Super started almost 20 years after GT, but even for its time GT's fight scenes were usually...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    Hit had feats comparable to PSSJB Goku when they attacked Jiren together and could slow him down on top of that. If Kefla's essentially inferior to him, I don't see why she'd call her the ideal warrior. At the very least, she should be able to beat Hit even while slowed down. I honestly can't...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    SSJR Black was way weaker than Kale and ended up on CSSJB tier from fusing with someone that he can oneshot. I also don't see why Vados would comment that Kefla was the ideal warrior if she were below the CSSJB Galu that initial Jiren was stomping together with Hit.
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    I don't see Gohan's Kamehameha breaking #17's barrier if an attack that would've killed #17 if the barrier wasn't up (Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade) didn't even scratch the barrier. Plus, you'd have to assume Goku was toying with Kale for some reason despite clearly using more effort than Golden...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    That's only if assuming #17 would give him the time to charge the Gekiretsu Kodan. Against Cell, Cell knew Piccolo's ultimate attack was no threat at all and literally stood there and took it on purpose. #17 didn't give him the opening to do it prior to Cell's intervention and even noted that he...
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    If it was only by a little then #17 would likely win due to infinite stamina though. "Strongest warrior on Earth" implies that Gohan would definitely win even if it's not a stomp.
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    This Gohan was in his nerdy outfit (Piccolo literally had to make him a new Gi) and had yet to train with Piccolo in preparation for Moro's invasion.
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    Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

    That is later contradicted by Piccolo stating that Gohan > #17 when ToP #17 was stated to be just about as strong as Galu, plus Vados called Kefla the most ideal warrior and it was noted that fusing improved her power from her unfused halves (plus Kale by herself was able to break Galu's...

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