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Dodoria: 21,000 Zarbon: 22,000

Toriyama planned to have Gohan as the one who saves the universe again, but he changed his mind because he thought Gohan wasn't suited to the role. This is how I think it went down with Toriyama's change of mind: "I think Goku should be the main hero and not Gohan, Let's make Goku fighting the...

I know. I'm just saying that the context seemed to be talking about the Saiyans alone. You have your point though. 18 was having a hard time with the kids.

So how did Vegeta killed him with barely 30k power level?

Gogeta stomps. Nothing indicates SSjin Trunks during the Baby Saga was stronger than Evil Boo.

I know. But in the context, they were talking about not going Super Saiyans, so Vegeta is indeed on top of the Saiyans even in base. This seems to be the meaning of this statement.

I hope the shipment wouldn't cost more than 45$

I think Vegeta's statement on the plane on the way to the TB was Toriyama's way of showing how Vegeta thinks he is the strongest Saiyan in equal forms. It's possible the rest weren't included in this statement.

No. Goku has to be at 20 at the very very least.

CG Vegeta 90 CG Goku 140 Teen Gohan 135 Buu Vegeta 171 Kid Gohan 180 Buu Goku 225

Evil Boo: 100 SSjin 3 Gotenks: 108 Ultimate Gohan: 150 Gotenks-Boo: 208 Gohan-Boo: 250

Are you talking about the Dragon Box? No, I don't have it. I would probably have it very soon though.

But Goku was stronger than the bear bandit.

Because Vegeta was already likely at least as strong as Goku was vs Freeza during the Trunks Arc so that's how it scales me. Puipui is leagues below the Base Saiyans. I still have Kaioshin in the base Saiyans tier. Though, I'm thinking of having him somewhat stronger than the Base Saiyans. Not...

Cell arc The History of Trunks Future Piccolo at time of death full power : 3,700,000 Future Vegeta at time of death base : 3,800,000 Super Saiyan : 190,000,000 Future Son Gohan ~ base : 3,500,000 ~ Super Saiyan : 175,000,000 post arm amputation & training ~ base : 4,400,000 ~ Super Saiyan...

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I have those same gaps between Gotenks and Goku but SSjin 3 being 10x SSjin 2 is simply wrong. Toriyama was just using A > B formula. There is a reason he stopped with power levels after the Freeza Saga.

Base Gotenks should be at least stronger than the combined power of the SSjin Kids.

Movie 13 pamphlet implies Goku beat Hirudegarn because Trunks cut off his tail and weakened him. "Goku becomes Super Saiyan 3 and confronts Hirudegarn, but his attacks fail and he is in a pinch! But Trunks cuts off Hirudegarn's tail with Tapion's sword, creating a gap! At that moment, Goku...

I don't understand why it's hard to accept that SSjin Gotenks (Pre) is at least stronger than Fat Boo. It's stated and not contradicted, and even further proven by the need of Evil Boo's creation. Gotenks was strong enough vs Fat Boo, but then Evil Boo appears and Gotenks is no longer a match...