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Exactly. I'd also love to see your list on the Android Saga scaling when you have the time. Perhaps there's something I can learn from here.

That's not the case in the manga though. Frieza clearly thought he killed Trunks with that attack.

Look at the narrative. Even before the fight, we are conveyed that Gohan could be a threat to Goku. Tenshinhan tells Goku to take it easy or else they (Gohan and Piccolo) would be hurt. Goku's response to that was that he and Tenshinhan may be the ones getting injured instead. Furthermore, Roshi...

She called him strong. This is just a baseless assumption.

That would be in the anime correct? Because there's no mention of Mecha Frieza toying with Trunks. He flat-out tries to blast Trunks out of fear and thinks he killed him despite knowing he was a Super Saiyan. I don't think it was implied that King Cold was stronger than Mecha Frieza. King Cold...

How would you explain Mighty Mask vs Android 18?

The entire point of the scene is that Goku underestimated Gohan and didn't know what he was capable of doing. Gohan's statement of "Fight me at full strength" is indicative of Gohan not wanting Goku to hold back on him and he does that by briefly overwhelming Goku. I know you like playing...

Nothing in that scene places Gohan as weaker than Blue Goku. If the message was that Gohan could not keep up with Goku, then Goku wouldn't have needed to power up. Instead, the narrative is clear with Ultimate Gohan pushing Goku to use power greater than SSJ2, and then being pushed again to use...

With Grade 3, I was adopting the idea of Grade 3 being a 10x multiplier from the EML which works well with the idea that 10x SSJ Goku would be stronger than Initial Semi Cell. That is also a possibility that I considered but I think the narrative heavily suggests that 50% MSSJ Goku was...

What would your list look like? I will start with mine and scale SSJ Vegeta at 100. Androids Android 19: ~Pre: 40 ~Post: 50 Android 20: ~Pre: 55 ~Post: 65 Piccolo: 80 SSJ Trunks: 92 SSJ Goku: 96 SSJ Vegeta: 100 Imperfect Cell: ~Pre: 115 ~Post: 120 Kamiccolo: ~Drained: 135 ~Weighted: 144...

I still think it's too low. I think SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Budokai) still has to be much stronger than SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta. When Vegeta admits to there being a significant gap between him and Goku and Teen Gohan having a power that is pathetic to Vegeta, it's hard for me to envision it being just...

Based on Elder Kaioshin's statement of Vegetto being the strongest, I think Super Vegetto at least has to be stronger than Super Gokhan.

In the anime, this is no contest. Ultimate Gohan was shown to at least be on par with Blue Goku prior to the Tournament of Power and Goku powered up from training in the RoSaT for 3 years, powered up after the U6 Tournament, powered up multiple times against Goku Black, and underwent a massive...

Android 17 can't regenerate from attacks and we never got to see the fight as it ended just as when Piccolo's stamina started to drop. No one also claimed that they were evenly matched in general. In terms of power, there's nothing placing Kid Buu stronger than Goku. The extreme close-up shots...

@Natasha Romanoff I don't think you realized that I was using your argument against you. You blatantly ignore the narrative because you feel characters are not trustworthy until it is at your convenience. Elder Kaioshin doesn't know anything about Buu. He only assumes that Pure Buu is the most...

Genki is actually just a component of ki. We don't know how that translates to actual battle power. Ginyu presumably retained Goku's genki when he seized control over it. The main reason his battle power was many times lower was due to his inability to use Goku's power properly. I don't think...

Goku was confident he could win but that doesn't tell me that Kid Buu was stronger. Goku stated that Pure Buu was toying with him primarily because his ki doesn't drop. Kid Buu is capable of bouncing back from Goku's attacks unaffected primarily due to Buu's unique physiology but the same can't...

Do you think Frieza was suppressed?

Super Buu already saw Super Gotenks in action, was mentally weakened by Gotenks displaying power that was "at least on par" with his own, felt the weight of Super Gotenks' blows, and even witnessed a fully charged attack by Super Gotenks. I think the narrative shows Super Buu had ample time to...

Right. They were stronger and yet may or may not have been able to counter their opponent's attack. This actually proves my point because it doesn't establish Goku was weaker than Kid Buu. In fact, you very well just suggested that Goku can actually be stronger than Kid Buu here and still be...