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  1. Goku9001

    Do you think Gotenks Buu could've oneshotted Ultimate Gohan had he tried to?

    The only reason Gohan wouldn't one-shot Super Buu is due to his regeneration. The fact that Gohan was able to significantly wound Super Buu with casual punches and kicks says a whole lot. I would agree with @Yoshi here. Gohan can flat-out blitz Super Buu and casually beat him with ordinary...
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    Android Saga Scaling

    It depends. Do you think 20 (Pre) > 19 (Post)? Trunks is already at 90% of Vegeta which is fairly close I'd say.
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    Examples in which ki and battle power might differ

    I think Ki and Battle Power are synonymous in the sense that Battle Power is just a representation of how much ki a user is putting out at a specific time. For all intents and purposes, it might as well be the same thing.
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    Do you think Gotenks Buu could've oneshotted Ultimate Gohan had he tried to?

    That could be a part of it. I believe that's only suggested by Jeese and Burter since they couldn't comprehend what happened whereas Vegeta suggested that everyone was clueless and that Goku used an extraordinarily powerful blow hence why Recoome was defeated so swiftly. But I wouldn't doubt...
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    Do you think Gotenks Buu could've oneshotted Ultimate Gohan had he tried to?

    One-shot in once sense? One-shot Recoome style or with a charged blast?
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    @Natasha Romanoff The narrator is recounting the events as we were shown in Episode 65 so that would be the writers' interpretation of what happened. You present a bunch of hypotheticals with nothing clarifying why the narrator was holding back information and elaborating why that was the...
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    I'm saying that power dynamics can be inferred in short clashes as the one that we are referring to so regardless of your personal beliefs, the writers don't think the same way. Examples of these would include SSJ Goku vs. Toppo, SSJ Goku vs. Frost, or SSJG Vegeta vs. Ikari Broly where the power...
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    @Natasha Romanoff Your examples merely prove that the narrator can obfuscate information that it doesn't want to reveal to the audience at that point in time. This is clearly not the case with the Saiyans vs. Zamasu and you have yet to prove why this is the case. This is part of any analysis...
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    It's semantics. When I say personal feelings, I mean that you are injecting your own personal thoughts into what the narrative is showing. You claim that Gohan's fight with Blue Goku is "too short" to evaluate. That's a personal feeling that you have about the narrative and there are countless...
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    Which you have yet to prove. You just dance around the subject with arbitrary examples and fail to relate those instances to whatever we are discussing. I'm not addressing everything because that just deviates from the discussion and doesn't really address the main overall point.
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    It's about not inserting my own personal feelings and questioning everything presented to us.
  12. Goku9001

    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    I'm just going with what we are explicitly told and shown.
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    @Natasha Romanoff So the narrator is a literary device used to convey how the writers want us to understand the story up until this point and that aligns with what we are explicitly shown. At this point, it seems you are projecting your own personal feelings as to why you know better than the...
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    That's literally your personal feelings without addressing anything. Since that's personally how you feel, I'm not sure how to respond to that honestly.
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    Actually, we can tell. Gohan losing the clash with Kaioken Blue Goku means he was weaker. Your subtext is that it's too short to judge but that's obviously not how the writers feel when an outcome can be determined in a single clash.
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    @Natasha Romanoff What I'm saying is that statements within the story that aligns with what we are shown mean that there is an intended message being conveyed. We are shown that Zamasu was being visibly overwhelmed and enraged by Vegeta & Trunks' Galick Gun combo as well as Goku's Kamehameha...
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    Do you think Gotenks Buu could've oneshotted Ultimate Gohan had he tried to?

    Unless Gohan was off-guard, no. The gap between them has to be less than 1.5x which seems to guarantee one-shot wins based on Goku vs. Recoome and Toriyama's understanding of Beerus (10) vs. Whis (15) when he initially wrote Battle of Gods. Gohan explicitly held a much larger edge on Super Buu...
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    ToP Gohan vs #17

    Manga-wise, Gohan is definitely stronger which is also shown in the Moro Arc. Anime-wise, my bet goes toward Android 17 because he's a more strategic fighter than Gohan was during the ToP, has infinite stamina, defensive barriers that could resist attacks from Jiren, and I think 17's...
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    TOP Ultimate Gohan vs RoF Golden Freeza

    @Natasha Romanoff It was a serious fight because we are blatantly told by multiple characters that it was a serious fight. Goku hesitated because he didn't take him seriously and then submitted to Gohan's claim of using "full power" when he had to. It's laid out for us.
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    Natasha's Full Analysis in Depth Regarding Hit vs Goku Black (anime versions only)

    @Natasha Romanoff I wasn't making any reference to Vegeta's statement. I was taking the narrative as it is. Zamasu was nonchalant initially because he was a god that towered over the Saiyans. His reaction changed to anger and disgust the moment the Saiyans continued persevering and pushing back...
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