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I don't agree. Vegeta is always shocked by Gohan's rage ability, he's not counting on it when he makes the statement regarding 1st Form Freeza. Yeah, I think we can just manage it.

Super Saiyan 3 is a super effective form though, it’s a superior form to Super Saiyan 2. No reason not to learn it unless you are going to Super Saiyan God of course. Grade 3 legit doesn’t work. Super Saiyan 3 works fine.

Yeah, I have to work backwards. But remember, I'm going to include that Great Ape Fist thing, that's a real game changer. If Super Kamehameha is 1.5x at the 23rd Budokai, I think BBA and LG gotta be 2x then. Which might work. Because expected Final Flash should be somewhat rivaling Cell...

Our closest example is probably Kami helping Goku vs Piccolo, and Jeice helping Ginyu vs Goku. The Kami example probably points out that anyone can help out. Haha indeed. How about the teamwork logic in Super, which completely breaks the status quo. 3 guys at level 1 can somehow hold their own...

More special than Super Saiyan God? Nah. Even the kids managed Super Saiyan 3 in less than a week. It's no big deal, Vegeta should have it without issue.

I think in EoZ he's gotta be able to go Super Saiyan 3. How can he hope to beat Goku without it? It's really only GT and Super that make us think Vegeta doesn't have it. Vegeta has shown he can do whatever Goku can do and always catches up. If Vegeta can attain Super Saiyan God on his own...

Cool, thanks so much for finding my old numbers. I'd been looking for them. I had fixed a lot of problems with that list and wasn't looking forward to doing early DB again without it. Just gotta look into this KK vs Galick Gun issue and apply the new logic that Dragon Fist is a 10x boost and it...

That might be a Vizism, we gotta check that quote again. And is it regarding Base Goku vs Freeza? If that indeed is the quote, that's quite a feat for a quote. A feat quote? A quote feat? Yeah, that's better. No doubt he could. But remember, that's not really the issue. I think we can get away...

I meant for training. Koscheck didn’t train any wrestling for GSP1, thinking he was a vastly superior wrestler, he didn’t see the need for it. For the second fight Koscheck trained wrestling and the result was completely different. He can’t, that’s the point. Gus was only able to do so because...

Well we aren’t rewriting anything. We are simply more accurately portraying the author’s intentions in a numerically superior way. Oh, but they couldn’t help Goku win the battle. An accurate analogy would be the idea that… KKx10 Goku + Piccolo and Gohan can beat 50% Freeza. You have to...

3rd Form Freeza is absolutely nothing compared to Vegeta. 3rd Form Freeza is more comparable to Piccolo and Gohan then Vegeta. 3rd Form Freeza is probably lucky to be 50% of Vegeta.

@GreatSaiyaman123 Shoot. Check out these numbers. Final Form Freeza 100 Vegeta 90 Gohan 45 Piccolo 35 1st Form Freeza 100 Vegeta 90 Gohan 47 Krillen 37 Man, this is no good. Shoot, this is going to ruin my whole list. Danggggg… This is really an earth shattering argument here. Man oh man...

There is no in-universe answer for that. The hand of God made an error not the universe. What are we talking about here? Are you talking about the Kamehameha vs Galick Gun battle?

You found my old list, thanks man. I’ll have to think about Kamehameha > Galick Gun, perhaps it is the best option but I don’t know. That means Freeza’s top amp blows out Vegeta as well. I’m ok with Piccolos amp not being as good as that’s been proven time and time again, but with Vegeta I’m...

So the later story must supersede the previous story. Much how we thought Piccolo was quite strong at the Cell Games, turns out he was piss weak. We thought ki amp was something special, but it turns out it was not. Super Kamehameha = 1.33x which means everything else is inferior. I think...

Errors are indeed errors. The author is subject to making errors. Some errors have been corrected like Vegeta being “rising to 20,000” instead of “30,000”, some errors haven’t been corrected and some errors the author himself is not even aware of. The author is a reasonable, logical man, if he...

Yeah, the BoZ numbers have been proven to be inaccurate time and time again. If we intend on going the consistency route, the narrative would remain. The humans cannot touch Piccolo at the BoZ even if they all ganged up on him even with Kami. Remember, Kami is still superior to the humans at...

When you announced your opinion on how they’d fare you brought that into consideration. You should edit that part out if you want to keep it completely about the drawing.

What’s crazy is my initial FF Freeza level of 5 million is probably too low. One could easily make Vegeta and initial FF around 9/10 million and not bat an eye, actually it might be the most reasonable lol. Piccolo 1,750,000 Enraged Gohan 2,250,000 Vegeta 9,000,000 Freeza 10,000,000 This...

I've brought this up before. But wanted to reiterate it since I'm watching this part of the series right now. Against 1st Form Freeza, Vegeta thinks they can win via teamwork. Against Final Form Freeza, Vegeta abandons all hope of teamwork being an option. Final Form Freeza is superior to...