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Goku reassures many people by saying if the kids get this right, they'll definitely win. There is no hoping, Goku knows for sure. He's about as rock solid as he can be. He literally bet the entire universe on the boy's power. There's nothing vague about Piccolo's statement. He's blown away by...

Super Saiyan Gotenks is said to be stronger than Goku.

Where is the complication? Piccolo can tell that Goku can defeat Buu.

Piccolo does not deny what Krillen says. Goku claimed Fusion to be strongest, the story makes multiple references to this and no one denies it. It's about as strong a case as anyone can make. The anime also has the boys imply they are the strongest as well. He's literally said to be stronger...

It's not. Everyone seems to be able to gauge Goku's power accurately. Piccolo is so keenly aware of Goku's power, he even is able to tell that Goku isn't going all out, and if he did go all out, he'd be able to defeat Majin Buu. Fusion is supreme, even above Goku going all out. It doesn't have...

I don't understand the point here?

It won't work. It only seems to work in a few sagas, but you seem to be unwilling to explore this truth. The multiplier in the Androids saga def appears to be 10x. But the CG and Buu Saga, absolutely won't work. The Rosat won't work either. It flat out doesn't work.

The 4x boost truly seems to be the undeniably perfect boost for Super Saiyan 2. Making Damaged Enraged Ssj2 Gohan still a good deal above Super Saiyan Gohan seems to make the most sense. Super Saiyan 3 is another story. It's implied to be tremendously superior to Super Saiyan 2 I'd say.

No, Piccolo and Gotenks implies that Gotenks > Fat Buu. But it's the new Evil Buu that causes issue. Fat Buu Enraged = Super Buu > Evil Buu > Gotenks > Fat Buu = Good Buu Is probably the preferred chain here. I have the full disc Blu-rays, so giving you a time stamp won't help you. It's right...

Yeah, Goku says that he told Buu Gotenks would be stronger than him, no one denies it and Krillen even says, didn't Goku say Fusion would be top dog and so on. It's probably safest to make Gotenks a bit stronger than Goku, even an all out Goku. It's possible they are equals, but the safest bet...

It might be the best path. For all fusions to get such a minimal multiplier seems quite absurd. Why would Vegetto, Kefla, and Gogeta be getting such minimal improvements. Unfortunately Super advocates for Base Gotenks > Majin Buu according to Piccolo right after Beerus stomps Base Gotenks...

This is honestly the toughest issue to deal with. Base Gotenks supreme strength is clearly showcased. In BoG, Base Gotenks > Majin Buu is definitely implied. Which really sways things a lot imo. So, you can either dismiss Base Gotenks power completely, or you have to figure out this nightmare...

So what do you think Piccolo's reasoning is? Sure, but Goku needs his full effort to defeat Majin Buu. Which means, Majin Buu is Super Saiyan 3 tier. Base Gotenks surpasses this level of Majin Buu as well, seen during BoG in the anime.

Ok, so why do you think Piccolo wants to see Gotenks speed, despite knowing Gotenks power is incredible? Because Majin Buu is Super Saiyan 3 level.

Indeed. We know Super Saiyan Gotenks power is not the issue. His power is incredible. So Piccolo wanting to see his speed is to just make sure his fusion went correctly. This is false, Goku implies he has sensed the boys fused chi later when asking why he can't send their power. As you know...

I'm not sure. I was thinking Super Buu would have been stronger than Evil Buu? But perhaps you are right, that's the way the anime seems to portray it I guess?

Yes, Piccolo says that Evil Buu took most of the power, as he is checking out Evil Buu, he starts freaking out. Trunks says, you saw our new power right, of course we will win, to which Piccolo says, that they'll be done in by this new Buu. Evil Buu > Super Saiyan Gotenks > Fat Buu = Good Buu...

Yeah, because he saw the immediacy of the failures before, he isn't sure that this fusion went through correctly. The power is certainly there, but what about speed? Is it there as well? No, it's about gathering enough ki for a full power blast. Goku isn't gathering up power to one shot Buu...

Because he had two failed fusions in a row, Piccolo wants to make sure the fusion went over well. Goku and Gotenks should be rivals imo. Goku intends to gather up enough ki, Gotenks intends to fight head on. The process of elimination remains. A fusions expectations should only drop to the...

Vegeta got this, Vegeta is a beast, no way doesn’t he end up matching or surpassing Kid Gohan in everything except Super Saiyan 2. I always give an edge to Vegeta in base and super Saiyan. He’s stupid strong. It’s just that Gohan had a rage boost at the Cg