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Huhh but I don't think he wanted to get his ass kicked by Goku either.

So he went there expecting to get his fat ass kicked?

I've Chi-Chi, Chaozu and Yajirobe all with a 90 BP by the 23rd Budokai.

Help in the battle against Kaido. She's very strong.

What did Toriyama say about DB Evolution?

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It's weird, but it seems Toriyama brainstorms every chapter with Toyotaro, so he doesn't appear to have a problem with that. It seems current Toriyama sees things differently. He changed Goku either consciously or unaware.

My thoughts and feelings exactly, SSJ2. I feel the exact same way as you, you put in words every problem I've with Super Goku. It ain't just his actions of sparring enemies, he's just flat out more childish, like u said... his fucking smile when taking those actions and twirling eyebrows are all...

He knows Goku is there.

How do you know he didn't fear him?

That goes back to my point before, then... the earlier statements of DB are more easily shrugged off, like Karin's one. Would you say chi had become the norm by the Piccolo Daimao battle enough that old Piccolo's less than half power should be taken linearly to the battle power system?

That was back in the preliminaries still. He also apparently didn't see Kuririn's performance, Goku saying that Kuririn training with him was what made him adamant about his chances. Yeah, she also dogged an attack from a serious Namu... Namu took her out easily yeah, but it's also worth noting...

I think it's also worth noting that Yajirobe witnessed the level of power <50% old Piccolo used to smash Goku and knowing Goku defeated Piccolo Daimao, still decided to attend the 23rd Budokai... Yajirobe doesn't seem the like to want to be clobbered badly, so I'd wager he could have surpassed...

Yeah, I'll take the "408 and 416 were Picc and Goku's resting level" and up their 23rd Budokai powers to better fit the gaps. Look up now.

Well, Yamcha said Bacterian possesses considerable power and Ranfan could hurt Namu... so I'd put them over Mr. Satan at least. I had even forgotten about Ranfan when doing the list lol.

More levels added.

Is to compare their overall, raw gains with the Saiyajins'... we generally don't have Goku and Vegeta undergoing more than a 2x increase in their base forms.. Realistically, should the Earthlings undergo more of a power up, with less resources? Maybe they didn't even increase it by 2x in...

That's a fair point, but then when characters like future #17 says they used "less than half" power, should it not be taken in terms of battle power too? Or Vegeta stating his Oozaru multiplies his power by 10. Plus, chi seems to be the main source of Piccolo's power, shouldn't he have that in...

Would you say the individual is the executioner or the victim of this new paradigm of radical individualism and moral decline of culture and, partially, society?

@Captain Cadaver That sounds a good baseline. Something like this then? Goku (power used against Chappa, 22nd) -- 40 Goku (Chappa's estimations) -- 50 Chappa -- 60 Goku (vs Chappa) -- 90 ChiChi -- 90 Chi-Chi thought Goku would have a hard time, she didn't think she'd win. It sucks though...