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They were including Goku though, who still hadn't made a jump in his speed. How do you take Kuririn and Yamcha being able to follow initial Goku and initial Tenshinhan's movements? I think the ~40k Ginyus couldn't follow ~60k Goku, so that could sensibly indicate Kuririn and Yamcha are more...

I think he did improve. Moderate gains. 88/100 or so according to my numbers. Kuririn seemed to have improved more judging by the larger distance he had over Yamcha. Cyborg Tao 140 Old Piccolo Daimao 150 Yamcha 160 -- post 5 years training 177 Kuririn 175 -- post 5 years 206 Goku (post...

Oh sure, confused the order of the scenes. But Kuririn seems to regard both as not normal. I think both Kuririn and Yamcha are a good chunk behind post Choshinsui Goku.

Didn't Goku shot down this idea with a "But I dunno... if he can beat Boo..."?

Shanks was also introduced on chapter 1 as pretty chill, even giving Luffy his hat. It's pretty doubtful there will be a turnaround on this considering Shanks is tied to one of Luffy's goals in his pirate life. One Piece is just not the type of show to have things like this. We saw that in...

Yamcha said both are beyond belief tho, including Goku, and there was no indication Goku could raise his speed even more except Tenshinhan. So it seems he thinks the level of speed Goku was showing (= post Choshinsui Goku) already makes Goku beyond belief. Tenshinhan hadn't shown his true speed...

"If that speed is slow" screams to me that such was considerably ahead his full capacities. I think he made slight to moderate gains... going from 160 to 177. They still had the threat of Piccolo Junior but idk, with Kuririn apparently building a larger distance between them makes me thing he...

How strong do you have him? Closing in on fat Boo?

They weren't shown sparring. Anime maybe.

Well, I'm not even using the Guidebook number for post Choshinsui Goku. In the 23rd Budokai we know that Kuririn and Yamcha were still likely noticeably weaker than post Choshinsui Goku since even the initial exchange before Ten used his real speed was still regarded as impressive to Kuririn and...

They had to surpass themselves after the previous challenge they faced in order to rescue Robin. It doesn't mean they were weaker because they were confused by Robin's actions. Now that they know Robin wants to be saved and adding that the challenge they faced before, they have evolved in power...

That doesn't make sense. "Uhh I don't know why Robin is betraying us so I won't punch as hard as I can". Talk about silly. That ain't happening here, sorry. Zoro directly said that Usopp, like them, went through all the challenges in the different islands and then boosted his strength like them...

I belive he's fairly close to [post Choshinsui] Goku, but still confirmedly weaker. Yamcha [BoZ] 177 Son Goku [post Choshinsui] 205 Kuririn [BoZ] 206

I believe he said something when he caught sight of Luffy fighting Lucci when the strawhats had already defeated their respective enemies. @Future Warrior That dialog doesn't necessarily indicate that. "When they understood it was time to save her, their strength became limitless" can merely...

Luffy not oneshottting Blueno was weird. He still edged out Lucci on G2, whom Zoro said was in another level...

Why?

How so?

Wut Asura Zoro > G2 Luffy pre TS? I don't think so.

I don't think they'd be able to follow Luffy if this latter uses G2.

I myself see Kaku and Jyabura's Douriki being 2200 and 2180 as a pretty powerful indicate that Zoro's above Sanji by a hair.