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Now that I've re-watched the 23rd Budokai I feel foolish to have even suggested that.

Well, the "I get the feeling" also implies a small gap.

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Tenshinhan was also "barely" able to see Goku's movements... it seems Goku employed a technique that heavily boosted his normal speed. Roshi also stated he "might" have been surpassed by Son.

Best way to reconcile the conflicting evidence to me is something like this: Roshi -- 52 Goku (match level) -- 53 -- battle level -- 60

Does Chappa need to be above 22nd Budokai Goku though? He lost to a suppressed Goku.

Do you think he is? I believe there's conflicting evidence on this.

Well, Yamcha and Kuririn seemed not to understand why Goku was so carefree about Tao Pai Pai.

Would you say Yamcha and Kuririn's concern at Cyborg Tao Pai Pai possibly indicates Cyborg Tao is > them?

It seems strange Kuririn and Yamcha in the 23rd Budokai would be so worried about a figure like Tao Pai Pai that Goku defeated 6 years ago when they are eons above that level.

Where do you place her?

Lifting a building is different from pushing two buildings that were smashing Luffy leaving him in a bad position to moister his true strength. Arlong also lifted a building similar to Zoro, and Luffy couldn't get out of the building Dorry put in him at Little Garden. They did that with the new...

That could be taken merely as a resolve boost from Luffy. Now that he's sure Robin really needs his help and is trying to save the crew, he pulled strength from his depths and pushed the buildings. I don't see that as meaning Luffy was weakened before. Sure, he was unsure at Robin's motives...

I mean it was a let down. The fight left to be desired, it was almost not shown.

Whitebeard vs Roger seemed so puny in the Oden's flashback.

How'd you scale them, during the Cell Games? I'm leaning to suppressed Cell being around as strong as SSJ kid Gohan, but that'd leave a puny advantage for Gohan in comparison to his father on same forms, and that could hurt the gaps in the Boo arc a little.

Far stronger than Goku sure, I'm not against that.

But it's worth noting Goku's trying to determine Gohan's FP based on his base strength, so he could be just thinking about that.

If you had to assign a battle power for him at his maximum power during the last part 1 tournament, what would it be? I'm ranging from late 300s to 600-700 based on my view that 416 read by Raditz's scouter was maybe just Goku's standing around level.

I think they said they couldn't see Ten when he increased his speed.