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Maybe not two shotted, but with an extreme ease, that is (PM Vegeta considered those two as garbage). It also makes nonsensical and illogical the idea of Gohan being a SSJ and Dabura being in the same tier as Gohan as SSJ2 is a form which increases greatly the previous form.

This is from a neutral position, not from an unreasonably wanked scalling neither to depower/downplay characters. I'll take these numbers as reference: https://dbzeta.net/threads/my-namek-saga-to-perfect-cell-arc-gaps.24955/ In the beginning of the movie, Goku is said to have gotten stronger...

In one instance he is presented to be stronger than SSJ2 Goku & Majin Vegeta to the point in which they have to team up to defeat him, yet he is able to two shot Dabura and Gohan. Does this mean Gohan and Dabura wouldn't be two shotted by Goku or Majin Vegeta? In other instance, he is able to...

I agree. Goku could kill him had it not been for stamina issues but he could also kill stronger people than him with amped ki blasts. Kid Buu FP blast is strong enough to overpower both Goku and Vegeta's maximum efforts. Not only just Goku which is basically the same statement Super Buu has.

With the Final Flash we know that Vegeta was able to destroy half of Cell's body while Goku was able to destroy Cell's main weakpoint and Cell just regenerated because of plot, but he actually got weaker, which tells me that the Kamehameha amp should have been greater. In this theory, I'll try...

Here, I am going to exclude situations such as him punching Base Vegeta and would focus on main instances such as his big fights. Level of effort #1: Against Ssj2 Vegeta & Good Buu initially With this level of effort he is able to stomp effortlessly Vegeta, who thought he was going to die, but...

Which numbers?

Freeza saga: Goku – 1 Goku KKx10 – 10 Goku Kkx20 – 20 Kamehameha x20 – 20.5 Genkidama - 28.2 SSJ – 50 Freeza 50% - 23.5 Freeza 70% - 32.9 Freeza 100% - 47 History of Trunks (manga): Future Gohan - 1.5 SSJ – 75 Future Gohan (post zenkai) – 2 SSJ – 100 Future Android 17...

@Hitrule Because when someone talk me, I can't avoid responding due to it feels of bad education unless there isn't any to add. If you want to cut the crap and no longer talk with me stop replying it because it feels like you're a masochist, because you don't want to get insulted, yet you know...

Super Vegeta wins as I don't think G3 Goku was that much stronger than Semi Perfect Cell at his initial level who is at the very least rivaled by SSJ Vegeta.

Yes, because I no longer care about this stupid and nonsensical debate. So, it doesn't actually exist. Thanks for proving I was always right. Because I don't care about rules invented from a preconceived conclusion from a maniatic from the asylum. I do care about what the story has to say.

@Hitrule No, I'll not accept the VoiceChat, no matter how hard you insist to me on doing so. Then, if those are artefacts created by Kaioshins and Kaioshins doesn't hold any rivalry, what would be the point of them to make them have an special effect for rivals? By simple logic: had Gogeta...

@Hitrule Whenever someone asks my age makes me annoyed and want to insult them, but in this case, I will not insult you, but neither respond your stupid question. There is no rivalry between Kaioshins, as simple as that, Old Kaioshin saying thst is meant to be metaphorical rather than literal...

Kaioshin's placement is very strange. He can be from barely ahead of Freeza to somewhat relevant to SSJ Gohan. Regardless, Base Gohan doesn't need to be that many steps ahead of Piccolo. And the kids barely increased their power with the Rosat.

@Hitrule The best solution would be stop talking with me, because if you were to talk as a person with me, I could just put you to test because these kind of people eventually shows their true colors and makes me believe I was always in a mistake trying to talk properly with them. Having say...

Didn't I tell you? If you behave like a human, I'll treat you like such (which you hadn't done or had a hard time trying to do), if you behave like an animal, I'll treat you like such which is what you've been doing the whole time. You don't like? Either ignore the message, stop discussing with...

Doesn't mean he could oneshot him without the purpose of doing so. We have seen in many occasions in which characters that are far too strong doesn't intend to oneshot the others but to test their strength yet they end one-shotting their opponents like Semi Cell vs 16. So that point is moot...

Regular Base Goku that was no meant to fight was the one who got defeated by a laser, not God Goku. It is not the case, Freeza couldn't oneshot Kkx10 Goku with a wider gap that he had over Vegeta using half of his power, Piccolo was half of 17 power yet he got two shotted, Vegeta got three...

What happened in RoF? The actual quote in Viz said that Vegetto would be unbeatable and then Vegetto remarks how surprised he is by how he can stomp him, so at the very least, Vegetto > Expected Vegetto > Buu is pretty much implied. One thing is holding back at effort and another to prolongue...

It's not matter of going against "my long terms belief", but to watch whether something makes minimal sense or not, which it doesn't. Even if I hear it, I would not be convinced because it lacks of completely logical sense. SSJ Kid Trunks by himself could kick back Fat Buu, yes Buu was...