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When he trained with Whis in the chamber. That is good to hear. @SIAD Goku was said to had been training hard when Hit rematch took place, then he states that he is getting out of shape and Beerus remarks on the same. Also, I just think Goku ever got stronger in Episode 123 as Jiren said...

The power expressed by SSJ2 Gohan against Kibito was clearly far lower than SSJ2 Gohan against Cell. Don't know how this affects Gohan being a SSJ2 vs Dabura.

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As shown is this thread, Base Toppo was equal to a rusty SSB Goku in the Zen Exhibition Match: https://dbzeta.net/threads/natashas-opinion-on-who-is-stronger-hit-mini-arc-vs-toppo-zen-exhibition-match.24240/ Then, he come out being even with a Post Rosat SSB Vegeta. But, to define better this...

I have to say that the theory of amplification ki being a thing during this period is enjoyable to work with, although, seems more like wishful thinking rather than logical thinking.

Goku: 8,200 ~Kkx2: 16,400 ~Kkx3: 24,600 ~Kkx4: 32,800 Vegeta: 18,000 ~FP: 18,270 Kkx3 Kamehameha (expected): 54,640 Kkx3 Kamehameha (actual): 27,206 Kkx4 Kamehameha: 36,080 Garlick Gun: 34,075 Weakened Vegeta: 4,800 ~Heavily weakened: 3,500 Gohan: 2,800 Krillin: 1,770 Initial Genkidama...

Yes, he could, it ended up being far weaker than before in the proccess on both instances due to not being in top shape. I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore.

He transformed into a SSJ2 against Kibito, your headcanon doesn't even make sense.

This is a thread worth of reviving it. My new position about this is: Hatchiyack >= Perfect Cell (FP) > LSSJ Broly (M8) >=< CG SSJ Gohan. As of now, I am working on a thread about this.

Well, I still go with: *Piccolo has never fought anyone who is Blue level on the Anime *Ultimate Gohan ended up being stronger than both Gammas and there's little to no reason to believe he is Base Toppo tier still as he tanked his Kamehameha like nothing *There's no way to know how much...

Aside from that, Goku states that Gohan did everything he could against Dabura, the narrator stating Gohan is at full throttle, that he is at full power, Daizenshuu saying Dabura is evenly matched with SSJ2 Gohan...

Which is? It is difficult to estimate Goku's improve power gains and much more to say he is abundantly more stronger than before.

No, it isn't. If being strict, Gotenks isn't that much ahead of Goku even on equal forms.

But, that is not something backed up, Cell explains that as long as his head ain't destroyed, his body can regenerate. Which is the same case with Piccolo. Also, it is interesting to think that when Gohan kills Cell, his main cell is shown getting destroyed in the beam clash.

The anime and the guidebooks makes pretty much clear that Gohan was a SSJ2.

Is there anything suggesting Blue Goku (DBSSH) = Orange Piccolo > Gammas > Blue Goku (DBSB)? Super Hero characters are too bloated.

Which he can do if he is 75% of Toppo. I agree. Blue Goku rivals Sidra the same way Gohan rivals Blue Goku, Gohan wasn't offered to defeat Freeza at that point in history. The way of estimation Piccolo have is pretty poor, not for anything Gohan ended up surpassing both Gammas. Also Piccolo's...

His core is his head and his head got destroyed. Cell regenerating is just an inconsistency in both manga and anime media, as said by Cell and Piccolo later in the Buu Saga (as his regeneration come from Piccolo's cells).

Or he just scripted in Piccolo a different version of Goku/Vegeta than what he had on mind. Ultimate Gohan in the anime was solidly weaker than Base Toppo (SSJB level) at the point that he tanked a Kamehameha from him. Super Hero was scripted when DBS: Broly was on going.

SSJ Goku could've killed Suppressed Perfect Cell despite of being weaker in stats. Actually, he did indeed kill him because his core was destroyed.