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Goku said that he grazed him, which Hits responds as a compliment that he isn't amazed considering him. Vados' statement came before this happened, plus, even before that point, he already countered some of Hit's attacks. Okay. You're ignoring the big image of how the fight it is presented...

From "I don't think I could beat him" to "We're simply no match for his strength" and "We'll be done in", there's too much of a difference to consider it as the same.

This is quite outdated up to now at least from Androids Arc ~ Perfect Cell arc. Great to hear that, though. Also, some positions from this are based on how fit numbers better doesn't had a solid reason behind.

Who wins?

What do you think about this? Initial Pefect Cell = 96 Super Vegeta = 100 Initial G3 Trunks = 190 Warm up Cell = 211 G3 Trunks = 228 Buff PC = 263.75

Are you sure about this? A punch from Goku barely moved him while Hit send him flying. I think it's possible that Goku went beyond his limits to achieve such a feat, although it's also possible to be his hidden power. Why was Goku shaking in fear, though? Against 17, he only showed it for a...

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First of all, Hit was clearly stronger than SSj Blue Goku even holding back as he was the first one to step up after receiving a Kamehameha from him and Goku said he was one step ahead of him: I can compare Hit superiority over Goku like Cell over Goku: So, to create a paralelism for the...

I think that Super Buu was scripted to be as strong as Fat Buu on those episodes, but was retconned after Vegetto separated in which Goku said "We're simply no match for his strength". Goku only tell that Gohan Buu is so strong in relation to Fat Buu because of all the people he absorbed to...

At most: Cell Games SSJ Goku: 75 Buu Saga SSJ Gohan: 80 Dabura (vs Gohan): 80 Cell (vs Goku): 82.5 Full effort Dabura (hypothetical): 88 Expected SSJ Goku: 90 SSJ PM Vegeta: 93.75 Yeah, this is an old thread, but I think is an interesting topic to discuss. All of this judging from the...

Buu Saga SSJ Gohan: 75 Cell Games SSJ Goku: 75 Dabura (vs Gohan): 75 Dabura (hypothetical full effort): 82.5 Cell (vs Goku): 82.5 Under the impression that Buu Saga Gohan is slightly ahead of Cell Games Goku (which he can be as he has SSJ2 unlike Goku). Buu Saga SSJ Gohan (AT MOST): 80 Dabura...

Just for the argument sake let's assume that Dabura is only SSJ Gohan's level, you're free to think that Dabura was holding back at effort against him (which he seems to, but it's not concrete). How good he can fare? Case #1: Pre Rosat SSJ Goten & Trunks Case #2: Post Rosat SSJ Goten & Trunks...

Agree with Krillin & Cell. Jiren wasn't even trying with Goku, so he couldn't even have been 2x Goku's power. Gohan vs Cell is at most a 100/60 gap and Kienzan was useless. Kienzan is highly overhyped.

My new gaps after re-watching the movie: SSJ2 Goku & Majin Vegeta: 25 M12 SSJ2 Goku: 30 SSJ Gotenks Pre: 75 Fat Buu: 80 Holding Back SSJ3 Goku/Vegeta's expectations: 85 SSJ3 Goku (full power vs Kid Buu): 100 SSJ Gotenks Post: 100 M12 SSJ3 Goku: 120 Janemba (vs Goku): 132 Super Buu: 180 Janemba...

Who wins? I personally go with Gotenks winning after a tough fight. Also Janemba's wacky abilities might bring him an edge and both are bloodlusted since the start.

No, it doesn't. Toei makes pretty much clear how useless it is with a vast difference in power, SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell or Blue Goku vs Jiren. To say nothing of Krillin's Kienzan on Perfect Cell. The only good example I think it can work is Base Goku against Gotenks Buu, Buu's body is soft...

Well, at most, 18 expected too less of SSJ's considering that she was still confident on taking them down and didn't actually confirmed it to have outrageous power but put an interrogative in something which is pretended to sound definitive for most of the ears, similarly as how Gero thought the...

SSJ3 Gotenks, I have SSJ Gotenks post = SSJ3 Goku (full power).

Base Gotenks Post is no way in hell stronger than either SSJ3 Goku or SSJ Gotenks Pre (realistically). Considering AT scripting, and how we got Cell stating that the idea of SSJ Gohan defeating him is quite exagerated, but Goku wasn't entirely bluffing, which somewhat agreed with Gohan > Goku...

That punch made him bleed, it was not like Perfect Cell vs Super Vegeta or 16 vs Semi Cell in which it had basically no effect, SSJ2 Gohan received a punch from Perfect Cell, which is less than a 2x gap and Gohan still got better. The gap between SSJ Goku and 50% Freeza is greater than Semi...