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All the evidence surrounding SSJ Vegeta vs Semi Cell is quite vague, Android 16 only ever said that Vegeta has powered up considerably and Cell isn't fazed on him. The most we get is Trunks statement about Vegeta going to that state from the beginning. In Dragon Ball, a 1.1 gap is a godstomp if...

That was anime-only. In the manga, Trunks only put himself as a shield and then goes Grade 2 in an unsuccesfull attempt to avoid Cell reach Perfection.

Vegeta believed it was quite an improvement: So, Cell doesn't have an accurate grasp about Super Vegeta even after getting beaten or just by sensing his ki? Was Cell also stupid with the idea of defeating Gohan when he returned? Or with Piccolo? The only time that happened was with Gohan and...

Something may have making him think he can defeat Super Vegeta, though.

And still believed that he couldn't defeat him and initially called him nothing special? Also, how much can add A18 to Cell?

1st stage: Semi Perfect Cell (initial): 90 SSJ Trunks (1st Post Rosat): 95 SSJ Vegeta (1st Post Rosat): 100 2nd stage: Semi Perfect Cell (FP): 135 Grade 2 Trunks: 142.5 Grade 2 Vegeta: 150

Ok. If this is an statement coming from someone that wants to provoke him, why didn't he mock him or use sarcastic comments with an smile (something which is particular in Vegeta's case specially when he is in advantage)? That route would lead us to believe that Vegeta somehow became...

But it also doesn't make sense as to how Goku praised Vegeta's tenacity of resisting many hits.

@Goku9001 No, you can't speculate about something you don't even know, I just wanted to know why you think anyone performance against Jiren count as something and what makes you think that. All you have done is denying the evidence of Jiren toying with Vegeta coming by the narrator, denying...

@GreatSaiyaman123 If a 1.33x gap is enough to one-shot someone, how couldn't Kkx3 Goku do it with Vegeta?

I'm not discussing on whether you like it or not, just that what you are suggesting is a nonsensical route seeing as Jiren is not a good parameter to be taken seen all the disadvantages he has and how characters from God - Blue lvl can make better things against him than what they can do on...

@ahill1 I can agree that 16 was more dominant during the fight with Cell and that Cell needed to avoid the fighting absorbing 17 in the process. But, Cell would've clearly lost had the fight continued because of the fact that he didn't have unlimited stamina, unlike 16. I still keep my mind...

Hector proving to be a joke? Nothing new.

Realistically, she could have. Krillin told her to not kill the participants which she agree even before the fights started. However, I think that people would also make the absolute impossible to say no and that she didn't held back so to justify their scalling. On top of being the actual way...

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I never said "he could have", he is holding back at effort, which he is doing every time. Where'd you get that from? I already provided evidence to the case: Vegeta came at Jiren and called him "how persistent" which means that he isn't taking him seriously and then he throws punches to Vegeta...

Edited a level from Android 16.

Jiren being greater power ever encountered doesn't mean he is using that power at ever time and at every point, it'd not be the first time in DB that everyone is shocked ans confused without actually having grasp or being able to tell what is going on: Piccolo vs Gero or Vegeta vs Majin Buu...

hapter: 371 (DBZ 177), P6.4 Context: before No.16 goes to fight first form Cell No.16: “According to my calculations, my power is about equal to Cell’s.” Viz Translation: Full Color Manga Translation: What do you think? Viz doesn't have 16's statement as definitive enough as it have...