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Maybe Piccolo was estimating Goku and Vegeta through the fight he watched of Goku and Gohan and assuming that Goku = Vegeta, yet Goku was actually suppressed as implied episodes after. At the end, the best scalling to go with imo is: Base Toppo > Ultimate Gohan (SuperHero) > Gammas (actual...

Gamma was weaker than Gohan, in all of the interactions, he is shown dominating him. I personally have Golden Freeza winning in mid-high diff as he is on the same league as Base Toppo and Base Toppo tanked Gohan's Kamehameha. We don't know how much stronger is Gamma than 17 or how much Gohan...

How do you think this fight would go?

How Vegeta expresses about the saiyans is how he feels himself to do the things, at the end, he is the one that is more prideful of his race as he is the prince. This is also shown in instances of how he explained to Trunks why Goku didn't ate the Senzu or him being pride when Goku rejected the...

What do you think is the case?

Well, I have no doubts that it would surpass Kibitoshin and that Zamasu alone is stronger than him (which is not that great of an achievement). But my question is whether they could achieve similar results as to Kibitoshin increase-wise.

Except that Buu Saga SSJ Gohan is stated many times to be weaker than Cell Games SSJ Gohan. Vegeta stating that Gohan looks out of shape: Vegeta states that he (Gohan) was once stronger than him, but how about that now remarking that he kept training while he frolicked in peace: Vegeta...

Why are you asking me this? We have seen in both appearances that Vegetto doesn't express himself into being a different person than Goku and Vegeta or that he is an different body. Only time is when Vegetto talks in 3rd person to Zamasu of that mortal called "Son Goku". So, why would he let...

Yes, I think this should pretty much be the case, he is still weaker than SSJ3 Goku from this saga if not even SSJ2 Goku too. @Cirno777 I can't personally make any sense of Kaioshin being anywhere near SSJ Goku Cell Games, he is demonstrably weaker than Pre Z Sword SSJ Gohan, who could be on...

@Cirno777 In the anime, Goku states that he could've finished off for good Kid Buu when he had become Vegetto: In the manga, Goku says that he as Vegetto could've done it in one blast: Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.5 Context: after Super Saiyan 3 Goku explains he need to gather ki for 1 minute...

Gowasu states that if they merge they would create a powerful Kaioshin: Would it get similar results to Kibito Kaioshin and barely affects Present Zamasu's power? Of course, Zamasu alone is too powerful for a Kaioshin, and this Fusion would surpass his own power, so I think it'd be too.

Goku and Vegeta both are Vegetto, they're basically the same person. When King Kai says that Beerus is on a whole other league than any other Goku ever fought, is he talking about Goku individually or his opponents in general even including while he is fused? It's clear that he is talking in...

I mean, when they hadn't appeared yet. How strong do you think Vegeta imagined them to be? Vegeta has at least the notion of Freeza being able to transform and that how strong Semi Cell and 18 were. Yet, he allowed them to transform or absorb 18 and still thought they (him, Krillin and Gohan in...

Why would Vegeta's statement not be a generality? He's not saying "They solve things with our punches except me" or doesn't consider himself anything different from saiyans for this nonsensical paragraph to even take place? At this point, unafortunately for you, the only thing you may shield is...

I don't know how could that be the case... Cell already had more than enough power to surpass the androids or Piccolo and he began flaring up his aura prior to fighting Piccolo. Also Cell does the same in Ginger Town, but nobody does notice anything about a powerup. Power ups are specified to...

I wouldn't say that in every case it indicates that:

Yes he did. But, someone firing up aura =/= powering up.

The androids were more than 50 times stronger than Base Trunks.

I personally think Cell was only serious against SSJ Trunks, and not against base Trunks, however no power-up was noticed. However, he was still ready to kill Trunks despite of knowing that he can transform into SSJ and claimed his superiority over the androids.

At this point its pretty much as clear as the light of the day, that whatever thing I say you'll shield into "you have given no evidence" or simply ignore/blatantly discard proofs I have given. Still, if I have to repeat myself, Vegeta stated that saiyans solve things with their fists, that's...