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  1. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    He eventually shows Goku that he can also attack while being on that stance, not that he just appears or dissapears. Goku knew how to predict it, he could also touch him and also dodge some of his assassination techniques. Also Goku was aware of everything as he himself contacted Whis to...
  2. Natasha Romanoff

    Pre enraged BoG SSJ2 Vegeta vs Fat Buu

    It's not matter of "not liking evidence", but that if I'll have to get convinced and/or to believe someone's subjectivity, then I'll have to adopt those positions which are laughable and ridiculous. Your premise is simply conflictive with the history itself. Yes, you're right, good work! Vegeta...
  3. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    I think that Hit was weaker than God Goku considering that Hit couldn't even see his movements while God Goku could react to his attacks. But yeah, the scalling is a mess if you accept Final Form Freeza being that strong.
  4. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    In the case of Dyspo, I am talking about speed advantage.
  5. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    Hit wasn't holding back in showing his movements. I don't think that is an statement in reference to power. Also, why was Goku shaking in fear? Hit didn't even moved and him having his hands up just proves that he directly received without guarding himself, also the Kamehameha went directly in...
  6. Natasha Romanoff

    Vegeta SSJB3 (Post Rosat) vs Vegeta SSJB (Beginning of ToP)?

    SSJ3 is 4x times above SSJ2, not just SSJ. Also, this is a comparison in between 2 different sagas.
  7. Natasha Romanoff

    Pre enraged BoG SSJ2 Vegeta vs Fat Buu

    Evidence which contradicts the story as a whole and basically intend to perform the task of changing how saiyans operate, how Vegeta himself talks about saiyans and Vegeta being a coward towards Buu or Buu being calm and/or holding a friendship with Vegeta with Buu to work with. And Vegeta...
  8. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    Hit is holding back against Goku. When Goku states that Hit is much stronger than what he was in the martial arts tournament, he also states that he can go even further, which implies that he was hiding some power. He didn't, he actually received it directly, you can watch it on here:
  9. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    As per Vados, Hit was fighting as a martial artist against Blue Goku in Episode 72 as opposed to as an assassin which answered Champa's doubt about how an assasin can enjoy fighting. Also, that Goku's Blue Kamehameha didn't made any single scratch on Hit, and he could've been the victor as he...
  10. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    IMO Final Form Freeza keeping up with Dyspo is simply a PIS, but from the perspective that it could be not I can think that Hit is just marginally weaker than either Dyspo or Freeza (no Golden). Of course, Dyspo is only faster than both, but Freeza the strongest of the three. Hit was stronger...
  11. Natasha Romanoff

    Which gap is bigger? Kaioken x2 Goku vs Hit or Hit vs Dyspo?

    Considering that in both cases, Hit was speedblitzed and both were too fast for him to watch. Which do you think it'd be the case?
  12. Natasha Romanoff

    Pre enraged BoG SSJ2 Vegeta vs Fat Buu

    It's not matter of "wanting more evidence" but that your argument leaves a lot to be desired and that you are basically wanting to change saiyan modus operating in an attempt to justify your position which is inconsistent and one way or another it leads to my premise itself. Up to now, you have...
  13. Natasha Romanoff

    (Outdated) Natasha's power level list Android Arc - Cell Games 2023

    Tanking would be like what she did to Trunks, Vegeta's punches moved her. Even though, her clothes are easy to damage, she still has some bruises from Vegeta's attacks on her face. Even though, Vegeta got frustrated to the fact that she didn't took damage, he still didn't lose hia confident self...
  14. Natasha Romanoff

    How strong are fused attacks (like the Final-Kamehameha etc)?

    Not exactly, Goku's Kamehameha was rivalled by Vegeta's Garlick Gun. Not every Kamehameha has a greater power than the user and that's shown in many other occasions. I have always considered that statement as something weird as if Piccolo thought as if that Kamehameha has the same power as the...
  15. Natasha Romanoff

    Pre enraged BoG SSJ2 Vegeta vs Fat Buu

    Other than Super Buu or maybe the androids, I don't think your statement can be backed up, and even then, we have situations such as Goku willing to help Gohan against Gotenks Buu, him preparing to take head on against said Buu or him confronting Semi Cell, so I don't think it would be a good...
  16. Natasha Romanoff

    (Outdated) Natasha's power level list Android Arc - Cell Games 2023

    Because Vegeta fared well against Android 18, Trunks was one-shot material for either android. Also Android 18 could broke Trunks's sword as if nothing, while Vegeta's hits actually pushed her back. Cell killed Trunks and was confident on doing it again, yet he was cautious with SSJ Vegeta...
  17. Natasha Romanoff

    How strong are fused attacks (like the Final-Kamehameha etc)?

    Because in every time we only have seen characters stating that they are going to go all-out, they're going to use their full power, they are going to make an attack with all of their strength, etc. None attack is portrayed or stated to increase the power of the user. That's my point, Vegetto's...
  18. Natasha Romanoff

    How strong are fused attacks (like the Final-Kamehameha etc)?

    I don't think amplified blasts ever existed after the saiyan saga, but when it comes to Vegetto's Final Kamehameha according to Shin, Goku and Vegeta used the Final Kamehameha to the point of not being able to turn into SSJs afterwards. Also the preview of the Chapter 66 said that they would be...
  19. Natasha Romanoff

    (Outdated) Natasha's power level list Android Arc - Cell Games 2023

    @Animelover5487 I think most of your points does actually makes sense, however, in the Genkidama case it was simply a wrong thought from both Goku and Kaiosama. Yes, it would sound insane, but if the 50% Genkidama couldn't kill a Vegeta that was over 10x weaker, it wouldn't have killed Vegeta in...
  20. Natasha Romanoff

    (Outdated) Natasha's power level list Android Arc - Cell Games 2023

    I was taking Vegeta vs 18 fight as a reference. In Vegeta vs Goku fight in the saiyan saga, Goku had a hard time dodging Vegeta's attacks while being in Kaioken x2, being a 16k vs less than 18k type of gap and got completely stomped (considering that Vegeta didn't even went full power). I don't...
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