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So, we know depend on a statement of a character that has to be said about being with fear? Isn't it the obvious expressions and actions speaking for itself? When a character is visibly angry, but doesn't state it it isn't angry? So, Vegeta isn't desperate when Beerus isn't in bad mood because...

@GreatSaiyaman123 I edited some levels for Gohan (which I think is relevant enough for suppressed Piccolo as he specifically talk him to help when Gero was about to kill him), Androids 19 and 20, as well as Piccolo and Trunks. What do you think? EDIT: Changed the gap between CG Goku and Gohan...

Her feat is better than how SSJ Goku received Freeza's death beam which moves him a little bit. 18 is strong enough to tank Trunks, yet she isn't able to tank Vegeta's blows, even though it managed to do cosmetic damage and as well as with 19 it was supposed that androids can't take damage or...

If this list receives enough supportment, then I would make a part talking about the levels in the Buu Saga. Androids Arc: Gohan: 5.000.000 Piccolo: 5.200.000 FP: 260.000.000 Trunks: 6.800.000 SSj Trunks: 340.000.000 Goku: 9.500.000 SSj Goku: 475.000.000 Vegeta: 9.600.000 SSj Vegeta...

Your issue here still remains on the same cycle; if Vegeta fears Beerus, then he will not try to attack him as opposed to himself offering to punish Buu? Well, killing an octopus also is uncivil, yet he did it when Trunks used his pistol of water unintentionally against Beerus to try to consol...

I think that makes sense. However, in the anime, Krillin and Android 16's statements suggests Vegeta being stronger than Cell:

But he was emitting a fake ki and make anyone thought different things, just at some times his ki was actually sensible for how strong it was. Trunks was pretty near to Vegeta's level, yet his punches didn't had any effect on Cell SSG2 Vegeta bleed from that punch, Gohan didn't, his feat is...

Do you think this feat should already put his initial Perfect self stronger than Super Vegeta and that he was just emitting a ki that appeared to be weaker than Vegeta similar to how he was masking his ki of Goku, Freeza (thinking that he was still alive) and the others while being in his...

Even supposing Gohan was stronger (which he seems to be), the gap should be smaller than the one SSJ3 Gotenks had over his regular Super Buu self as Gohan couldn't make him mental unstable.

Buu is not a partner of him for him to help he was just trying to make him get enraged so Buu can absorb him and save the others. When did Buu proved to be stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks? He is sensing Vegetto properly initially as he is calmed and regular minded, he was frustrated and enraged...

It's not matter of moving goalposts, but how Vegeta conducts with Buu but how he conducts with Beerus that makes it different. Does Vegeta fears Buu? No Does Vegeta fears Beerus? Yes How is your analogy even logical judging by regular standards? Why Vegeta would behave equally with both if...

Yet, Beerus is not Buu, don't know how this correlates to anything. Vegeta was the most distant to everyone and Beerus wanted to eat pudding but Buu denied him and proceeds to get into a fight. Even if you want to go to the words fight, that would also cause a fight due to the lack of patience...

It affects mentally and provoke someone to not be thinking clearly, this is no different from Cell still thinking that he could defeat Gohan after realizing how he easily outclasses. No proof of SSJ Vegetto being suppressed, though. Also, just behind the weight of the punches is enough to...

At that point he was enraged an not thinking straight, nothing suggest he wasn't before of that. That his ki sensing/grasping ability is too limited and doesn't comprehend the full exent of his power. He is exagerating when he said that they could be no match even after fusing, but his self...

Saiyans operate differently and are accustomed to solve things into punches- Fact Buu wouldn't understand Vegeta in a good manner since he is in bad mood- Fact Vegeta doesn't hold that good of a relationship with Buu to make him razionalize things- Fact Vegeta wanted to avoid fighting Beerus-...

He was just relying on his eyes once. He was told to sense ki because he was getting frustrated and getting himself mentally weaker, before of that there's no evidence suggesting he wasn't. Gohan Buu couldn't tell that Vegetto was holding back- Goku could do it with Cell. He can feel the weight...

And what notion is that so impossible for you to understand? Vegeta saying that he would beat up on Buu? Yes, but for that he have to feel to some exent (if not the full exent) to be capable of doing what he said to do. No, I'm just objectively thinking in Vegeta himself saying that saiyans...

It's up to you to prove that he wasn't sensing ki the whole time, you just send a image when he was relying in his eyes instead of ki sensing, so that's not sufficient evidence to prove your notion. Goku could acurrately gauge Cell's power even though he was holding back and realize it- that...

Prove that Buu was all the time relying on his eyes rather than ki sensing. Even while not going all out he was mocking Buu and had a guaranteed victory. I can see a nervous face and him thinking on a risky decision. Buu afterwards was trying to blast him and Vegeta. Every time Buu talks...

Hmmm, after Beerus told him that he is disturbing him... Yes, I guess. Yes, and him considering capable of doing something which he says (punishing Buu) also is factored on this. Considering that Vegeta knows how strong Buu is and considers himself to be capable of defeating him, then there's...