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I'd like to hear about two battles here... 1) Initial Great Ape Goku vs Buff Roshi's Mountain Blast 2) 21st Budokai, instead of aiming at the moon, he aims at Goku. What happens?

Our guidelines are the Orin Temple Bully and Yamcha. Orin Temple Bully > Krillen (They used to bully Krillen mercilessly) Yamcha (States for a long time he's been doing nothing but training) I think Initial Yamcha is 75% of 21st Budokai Yamcha. I think that's a fair boost, Yamcha has been...

Ok, Ahill, present the fight and discussion will begin.

Base Gotenks Pre ROSAT Logically speaking, Base Gotenks must be >> Majin Vegeta. Remember, this is POST Ssj3 Goku vs Fat Buu. The new standard thought line is that even Goku couldn't really get it done. Sure, the reader knows he probably could have based on Piccolo's thoughts. But it is...

Alright so based on much debate over the spacing issue in the early android saga we have been able to conclude that 19 Post vs Vegeta is about 60%. We can use that as the baseline from there... 1) 19 Post is 60% of Vegeta 2) Semi Cell is 60-65% of Vegeta 3) Cell is 50-55% of Gohan 4) Android...

Cell Saga 1) Super Saiyan 2 Gohan / Super Perfect Cell 2) Perfect Cell (Power Weighted) 3) Perfect Cell (Full Power) 4) Super Saiyan Gohan / Perfect Cell (Real Speed) 5) Perfect Cell (Powered Up) 6) Super Saiyan Goku (Full Power) 7) Cell Juniors / Super Saiyan Vegeta, Trunks 8.) Super Saiyan...

Who is stronger?

Alright people we can't have all of these thoughts and not have them backed up anymore. We agree with a set of things, yet, we don't want to put it all together. 1) Future 17's less than half power should be significantly ahead of Cyborg Freeza. 2) Many of us feel that Vegeta should have...

Is it just me? Or is Vegeta rivaling 18? She is barely ahead of him, he is absolutely holding his own and the only reason he lost so devastatingly was that his stamina was dropping with every hit and hers was not. This is bullshit, there's no way 18 is 1.2x Vegeta. Man, the things you learn in...

19vsGoku VS KKx3GokuvsVegeta I think these fight are around the same as long as you take into account 19's Android body. I think Vegeta loses Goku with his eyes a couple more times than 19 does with Goku, but it's pretty close. I could give a slight edge to GokuvsVegeta being slightly bigger.

Who wins? Mecha Freeza's power is most likely unseen. He didn't have time to power up and nothing suggests he did. Also, for Future 17, this is the power he used to beat up Gohan badly in which he lost his arm. A year later, Gohan is now strong enough to think he can take on not one, but two...

Who wins?

How wide is the gap? Trunks declares that he would finish Freeza/Cold instantaneously, which he did, but I also think he meant that statement regarding their current power, not Freeza's full power. He tells Freeza to power up, but I don't think it would be as instant. Either way, Trunks can kick...

Alright, we've made very good groundwork in the early Android Saga levels, to continue on and see how that matches up with the series before, we need to do this two part list to see how we can fit this jigsaw puzzle in. Let's start with the basics and see where we can go from here... Future...

This issue needs to be addressed further. Couple things I'd like to note from reading this section over... 1) Super Saiyan Goku vs Android 19 is not a huge gap in power. I'd say 19 is 75% of Goku. 2) 20 > 19 for sure, but it doesn't appear 20 wants anything to do with Goku, he is shocked and...

And the winner is?

Only post the levels for the fighters within this range... Kamiccolo ( Full Power ) Android 17 Android 18 Kamiccolo ( Weighted ) Imperfect Cell ( Initial ) Super Saiyan Vegeta Super Saiyan Goku ( Healthy ) Super Saiyan Trunks Super Saiyan Goku ( Sick ) Piccolo Android 20 Post Android 19 Post...

Transformation controversy aside, who wins?

It's a Slobberknocker!!! Kid Goku vs Yamcha ( Round 1 ) Krillen vs Jackie Chun ( 2nd Round ) Kid Goku vs Jackie Chun Kid Goku vs Grandpa Gohan Yamcha vs Tien ( Initial ) Kid Goku vs Tien Teen Goku ( Weighted ) vs Tien ( Initial ) Kid Goku vs King Piccolo Kid Goku vs Piccolo Jr. Goku vs Ginyu...

Alright without scouters, let me know what chain you have. Only Withheld and maybe Ahill really talk about this... Raditz ( Full Power ) > Raditz ( Increased Power ) > Raditz ( Initial ) > Goku/Piccolo ( UnWeighted ) > Goku/Piccolo ( Weighted ) Something like that I believe.