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    Son Goku and Friends Pterodacytl ~ 15 Bear Bandit ~ 20 Krillen ~ 30 Yamcha ~ Base Power 45 ~ Wolf Fang Fist 50 Ox King ~ 100 Master Roshi ~ Base Power 150 ~ Buff 300 ~ Kamehameha 400 Son Goku ~ w/o tail...
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    Rewriting the Manga

    Alright so I am going to do some corrections of the manga from a power level stand point. Only adjusting what must be adjusted. I talked about some of the deplorable hax situations that occurred in the story, I am to fix that. It's time to make Dragonball Z great again. Alright, so in DB...
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    Most Ridiculous Hax

    Alright I will go over a bunch of different hax in the manga that do not seem to hold up. 1) The humans training heading into the 23rd Budokai was extremely haxed. For them to be around Tao Pai Pai level for the most part to fucking Piccolo Daimao's level, is fucking absurd. They were nobodies...
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    Gap BTW Mummy and Goku

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    21st Budokai Discussion

    Here's some basic levels I threw together to get it started. Yamcha 120 ~ Wolf Fang Fist 140 Bacterian 160 Giran 200 Krillen ( Initial ) 160 ~ Full Power 240 Namu 350 Jackie Chun ( Initial ) 180 ~ Semi Serious 250 ~ Full Power 360 ~ Buff 2,160 ~ Buff Kamehameha 4,320 Goku ( W/o Tail )...
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    Mutaito vs King Piccolo ( Initial )

    This is the old version of Piccolo that Goku was able to win against. Why does Mutaito always get nerfed? Seems like him, young Roshi and young Tsuru were beasts.
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    Super Saiyan Goku ( Early ROSAT ) vs Kamiccolo

    This is the version of Goku as he discovers the grade forms. How much has Goku powered up? Let's check out some of the quotes. Goku- Let's start training right away, we aren't here to fool around. First we are going to turn you into a Super Saiyan. You'll have to be one before the real...
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    Grandpa Gohan

    We know he was killed by Great Ape Goku. Now, how does this effect his power. I think it would make sense for Gohan to be a lot weaker than Oozaru Goku at the time of his death. That seems reasonable. But it is really, really difficult to squeeze in these major gaps in power. 1) Grandpa Gohan...
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    SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta

    We all know Vegeta has the edge in power, but it doesn't seem to be all that much. How does this fight look?
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    Gap BTW

    Alright, this should be fun. State the gap between the two opponents and why and see what others think. 1) General Blue vs Krillen I think this gap has to be pretty damn huge. Although in Dragonball, facial expressions while taking damage are very cartoon-y and overstated, the effort General...
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    Anton the Great vs Bear Bandit

    Who wins this? Andre the Giant ( lookalike ) has to be hitting the pinnacle of human size. Him and Ox King I would think are at least as large as Bear Bandit. We know Ox King would stomp Bear Bandit, how does Andre the Giant fare against him? How does Hercule do against
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    Roshi Power Breakdown

    Let's take a look at Roshi's power. 1) It's quite possible his 21st Budokai power is a bit higher than his initial power. Jackie Chun is a good deal more buff than Roshi originally was. Whether this is just on the author or a possible indication of some training is up for debate. Are there any...
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    Fight Tiers

    Let's make a list of tiers that we can neatly fit DB,DBZ fights into. I'll start it off and we shall add to the database. The first tier I want to touch up on is what I called the God tier. Basically you are absolutely clowning your opponent with absolute ease. God Tier Stomper vs Stompee 1st...
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    22nd Budokai Goku

    Let's try to sort out the mess of the issues surrounding the 22nd Budokai. Most of these issues revolve around Goku's power. We have the question of Initial Goku vs Chappa and it's effect on Krillen and Yamcha. That issue has it's own thread already so let's skip to the next issue. Battle Level...
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    Brock Lesnar vs a Chimpanzee

    Who wins? This is a fully grown adult male chimp. The Chimp has been declawed and deteethed.
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    King Chappa vs Yamcha, Krillen

    This has been a hot debate as of late, guys post your quotes of why you think they are vastly superior and when I get home I'll post all the quotes going against.
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    22nd Budokai Discussion

    Alright I'm making a new list, so whenever I run into trouble about a saga I'll ask for some help here. One of the most difficult sagas to do in the series imo. Alright, let's see what we got. King Chappa- If Goku is really on, he may squeak by. Goku from Baba's Tournament I would assume...
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    Future Saga

    Let's talk Future Saga. If we believe Trunks, he is a beast of epic proportions capable of most likely manhandling both Goku and Freeza on Namek by himself. Which is insanity because we just got introduced to these top tier powers just 5 seconds ago. But, this is how Dragonball works. Anyway...
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    Regular Human Powers

    Alright, let's take a look at the regular humans in DB-DBZ. No super powered freaks. I'd guess we would start with Puar being one of the weakest beings on Earth and Videl probably the strongest with Hercule right behind her. How big is the gap? Let's start with the Farmer's standard power...
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    Freeza vs Trunks

    If Freeza fought him with his full power, how much stronger would Trunks be?

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