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If Vegeta alone's able of acknowledging how fast someone like #20's, I'd think Gero take this alone. Future #17 less than half already's > SSJ Future Gohan. On anime, it's kinda weird, #18 allegadely went all-out on Gohan (possibly copying #18's statement on Vegeta's fight) but that's needed be...

I could see your point, but Toyotaro's simply one more fan like us are. On his work, he could extend, add elements, change things or create new concepts, but never contradict facts. That's not what literature relies on. If Toyotaro have Beerus saying SSJ2 Goku was who defeated Freeza, that...

Yes, but he suggested teaming up w/way more people against Cell. Kid Trunks just suggested 3 on 1. No lol.

Doesn't trump one Trunks suggested teaming up against Perfect form Cell while other Trunks suggested teaming up against Majin Buu. Nor Majin Buu >>> Perfect form Cell.

Movies have SSJ Goku struggling w/Cooler Supernova and him taking his punches/ki attacks like nothing.

You could argue for either version of kids. 90's material only.

Gohan's 96% of Vegeta's power. Basically they made one triangle, Goten = 90, Trunks = 93, Gohan = 96. If many of them come from Vegeta and Trunks and they decided grouping them, how things would go? How's they blocking their hits not fact? Lol. Are SSJ3 Goku and Trunks good guys who protect...

@GreatSaiyaman123 On my outdated list, I have: Goten - 90 Kid Trunks - 93 Vegeta - 100 Kids upon this are stomping CG Goku. But Vegeta's placement's also weird considering he was saying he's stronger than Gohan before was revealed he had SSJ2. Talking about mini Cells, well I know they are...

Given how Golden Frieza (=Blue Goku) managed on hurting severely Base Toppo who's supposed on being equal grounds w/Blue Kaioken Goku, while Frieza's death beams didn't inflict damage on SSJ Goku back on Namek. Some compare Frieza and Toppo w/Vegeta and SPC but Vegeta didn't even inflict damage...

Sidra/Belmod surprised on Blue Goku's power: Belmod surprise on Blue Vegeta's Final Flash:

He was trying not getting hit on by Trunks, when he started, Vegeta was sweating and struggling and decided to punch him, afterwards, he was surprised hearing Goten's just little weaker. I can understand what you're saying but Vegeta by this point of series doesn't have much respect for even...

On Super, he paralyzed GoD Toppo, but that's nasty since he was on his base form.

Given how he use more ki blasts than physical punches (being only Vegeta one he used) makes me believe he ain't thinking on fighting Gohan or others.

When 17 got Tenshinhan on hold, Vegeta tried helping him and 18 took his foot impeding him which shows he was vulnerable on that time. Sometimes characters throwing attacks from behind have worked but mainly seems being outliers like Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin distracting Frieza on Genkidama...

Frieza logically ain't using anywhere near his 530k, he didn't plan on using much strength, he's still using one level of strength which would make someone of 42k get inflicted lot of damage. Yes, Cell consistently didn't loss ki here, but I'm asking if he should have.

Yes, but when Vegeta shows he can no-diff someone he isn't showing anything of what he showed w/Trunks. When someone's training and who you are training with aren't able of giving you issues, then they would not make you sweat nor struggle kinda how Goku & Gohan on Rosat or Goku, Gohan &...

When 17 had Tenshinhan on his lock, he was very vulnerable, Frieza's specialist on sneak-attacking, I'd think Frieza would be useful even though they would be defeated still. It won't be like when Vegeta or Piccolo went on rescue.

Well, when saying "SSJ3 Goku's good, oh, but Trunks used being good too!" It can exist. Both are powerful characters even when they're not remotely comparable.

Yes, it's still way too ample for confirming the possibility of two individuals being on even conditions of strength.

Piccolo by first sentence seems of Cell's current power, but when he said "no one can beat him" could refer of his potential growth, he had experienced defeat against 1st form and now he got stronger again, on top, he knows what's needed for him reaching his full potential. This's statement...