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This attempt to flip the principle doesn't hold up because it devalues the scene entirely for no reason. A demonstration being prompted at all tells us that Piccolo didn't want to cut corners with his evaluation. He knows -- from past, first-hand experience -- that a power-up may not tell the...

Goku's story of fusion tells us that it's a powerful technique, but it wasn't clear how it would translate for higher level beings who intend to have it surpass an exact level. Still worth a shot to him though. Targeting the degree of clarity over Gotenks' inability enters the territory of...

When analysing the plot in a way that leaves no stone unturned, it seems unnecessary to propose such a categorisation. For instance, moments later Goku sought to offset Piccolo's doomsday concerns by reminding him that they have the Dragon Balls if it comes to extremes. As soon as Buu became...

Not surprised by the lack of professionalism from the above user. Saltiness and emotion has no place in a debate environment. Move along.

When taking into consideration what transpired next, there's more to the gamble than just those factors. It's also worth noting that while environmental destruction was a concern, the time that Babidi gave them (5 days) was multiple days more than the amount of time Goku envisioned for the kids...

I'll get into it later within this post, when of relevance, to keep things organised. The purpose was to point out the groundwork that the narrative was operating under, which holds relevance throughout Gotenks' journey. While Gotenks had targets set (i.e. mastering fusion and being the one to...

Understood.

@Kyo I know you said you may take a while back when this was being planned, but could you give a timeframe of when you intend to respond? Would prefer for this not to drag on without a major reason if possible.

A suitable starting point would be to look at early Gotenks and Goku. The narrative lays out the intent of fusion and also tells us what to expect from a Goten and Trunks fusion. What's made clear from the Metamoran method is that the outcome is a being that is way greater than the sum of its...

No problem. Take your time.

This debate will cover how Gotenks compares to Goku within the Buu Arc. For those viewing, please wait until it's over before commenting thoughts or feedback. Opening statement: I will be arguing with the premise of SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku being within the same tier of power, with Gotenks...

In that case, I'll create a thread for us to debate in.

So far, we have two candidate topics brought to the table, both Buu Arc. I'd lean more towards discussing Gotenks/Goku since there's more material surrounding it.

I go by SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku being in the same tier, with Gotenks having a small edge.

That's generally the case for the Angels, but as we saw with Whis, they're not beyond helping out here and there. Some of the more vocal ones also seemed quite emotionally invested and biased to their Universes during the ToP. Definitely seems like quite an obstacle to begin to climb for Goku...

There's a lot of freedom within a Gogeta (hypothetical) & Vegito discussion. Though Movie Gogeta is a different matter. Gotenks compared to Goku could be interesting.

The writing kinda got to an awkward spot given how strong the elite are. If a villain comes along acting like they're untouchable, but realistically wouldn't want any parts of Zeno or the Angels, it's not as intimidating.

Ok, glad that you're not closed off to the idea. In terms of format, I think deciding on a number of posts (e.g. 7 each, then a summarisation) so that it's compact and focused would be effective. Besides that, it's just a matter of figuring out each of our views then making a choice on the...

Chiaotzu. He couldn't keep up or make an impact on fights anymore, or even show up to major battles.

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