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  1. Spiral-Force

    Are all the ToP universes stronger than SSJ3 Goku?

    Outside of the top guys and those that were viable for offering a helping hand to them, there were quite a few fodders that don't necessarily need to be in that tier. Sometimes we get characters that are established to be of a particular level (such as Kefla boasting about her Universal power)...
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    If this joke was in Super, people would hate it

    I get the fundamental point (unnecessary outrage), but this speaks more to Krillin and his extreme caution moreso than Piccolo.
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    Freeza (Namek) vs SSJ Goku

    Goku would look at him weird, then proceed to give him an ass-whooping.
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    ask me stuff

    Are you up for a Dragon Ball debate with me?
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    BoGT SSJ3 Goku vs SSJ Gohan

    At most, somewhere within Buu range, but firmly below the top of that tier would make for a good candidate placement for Gohan.
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    BoGT SSJ3 Goku vs SSJ Gohan

    GT's like Z in how it has wacky scaling moments here and there, but sometimes there are ways to make sense of things. With GT Gohan, what comes to mind is: - No significant standalone victories - Tends to be in situations where his power is used as a stepping stone (whether by a good guy or bad...
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    BoGT SSJ3 Goku vs SSJ Gohan

    Gohan was very underwhelming. Seems like the writers didn't really care about him or what his Ultimate state was supposed to represent. Goku wins.
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    If Goku And Vegeta Were Never Rivals...

    There's no doubt that Goku pushes Vegeta to get stronger, and the same can be said vice versa to some extent, such as Goku expressing his goal of surpassing Vegeta when preparing for Namek. Training and competing in fights comes quite naturally to them, so if the alternate storyline demands it...
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    Is the DragonBall GT ending soooooooooooooooo sad?

    It serves it's purpose of making you think about everything and having to come to terms with it being the last stop of that journey.
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    Is the DragonBall GT ending soooooooooooooooo sad?

    The ending is generally considered to be one of the strong moments of the series. Or to word it differently, one of the more 'tolerable' parts. When a story reaches it's farewell stage, there's a smaller window for error since the writer can rely on nostalgia & call-backs, and has more freedom...
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    Favourite DragonBall moments

    To be fair, DBZ was its own beast with how it left an imprint on popular culture. That's why loads of fans and even non-fans can recall a bunch of Z moments with barely any knowledge about the original show. What you're saying rings true for people like us who know both series entirely and can...
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    Favourite DragonBall moments

    Those hype moments is largely why DBZ became so iconic. The extensive world-building also makes you realise that the first series only scratched the surface as to what's out there. In that sense, it took things to the next level.
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    Favourite DragonBall moments

    ^ Since Z was brought up, may as well ask this now: @Fantastische Hure Is there any aspect of DBZ that you prefer to DB? You seem so fond of the original, so just curious.
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    Favourite DragonBall moments

    Kid Goku vs Roshi ought to be mentioned; well-choreographed and a valuable learning experience for Goku. Also liked how serious things got later on with Krillin's death and the King Piccolo situation in general.
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    Gohan SSJ2 (CG) vs Hatchyack + Perfect Cell + Broly LSSJ (M8) + Super Bojack?

    @SIAD By the way, the Popeye part is so out-of-nowhere and comical. Nice one.
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    Gohan SSJ2 (CG) vs Hatchyack + Perfect Cell + Broly LSSJ (M8) + Super Bojack?

    Fights like this is where feats really shine through in determining the outcome, since statements to do with character comparisons can be a grey area because of the different timelines. Dealing with a Solar System Level being should be a cake walk for Broly given what happened in the film.
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    Do characters move sideways?

    Making it that specific invites the question: how significant is that? Because DB fighters have a lot more overall freedom and versatility in how they can move and attack. For example, being able to evade a ground attack and setup a ki blast counter from mid-air. If a character is struggling...
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    Do characters move sideways?

    In terms of head movement, Vegeta vs Pui Pui immediately comes to mind. For whole body movement, can think of a few moments where Gohan and Krillin dodged blasts from Frieza. It'd be more noticeable if characters didn't move so quickly that it looks like they're teleporting.
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    Why I’m No Longer A Dragon Ball Fan

    I actually see that as a plus since it gives respect to Buu's power. A quality that Buu had (especially Super Buu and Kid Buu) is that they posed a threat even to those that could, in theory, supposedly finish them. That's why Goku encouraged everyone to train in case they have to go through...
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    Why I’m No Longer A Dragon Ball Fan

    A lot of people don't like the idea of Goku prioritising training Uub over spending time with his family. Though on a character level, it's such a Goku thing to do. Being a mentor to the younger generation was a seed planted back in the Cell Arc, with the risky bet on Gohan. Then carried over...

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