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At her peak, I think Kale was stronger. Her prime seemed to elicit an alarming response from Goku and Freeza.

Kale dog walks 17. She's higher than Goku at that point in the manga, which 17 is certainly not.

It's not as concrete, but there's also the U6 tournament itself. "Less than 10%" Blue Vegeta was not hugely ahead of SSJ Goku, but was worlds below SSJG Goku.

Vegeta wasn't factoring in Kaio-ken when speaking of Goku's power, so he'd have to be at best mid-50k to still respect Goku's ~60k power while being above the Ginyu TOKUSENTAI's 40k.

The androids were holding back against Trunks and still dog walking him. They went all-out against Gohan, in which case he got unalived. The only really dumb thing is 18 coming to 17's rescue and making a point of it during their encounter before Trunks could turn Super Saiyan, which makes no...

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I don't know why people shrug off Gohan intending to win. He wouldn't be an asshole and invite Piccolo if it meant he'd lose.

I can't remember which chapter Goku and Piccolo took driving lessons.

Whomever is still consistently debating this tripe, probably.

What about when he freaked out when Kamiccolo surpassed him?

18 is always inferior to 17. Apparently she can't even make the barrier that he can, despite the only noted difference between them in Z was her pre-production battle power minimizer.

A WILD SLAPNUTS APPEARS. Jarrett hits the guitar shot, nut shot, stroke, pin and win. Goku can't even fight back.

I dislike the U6 arc and like the Super 17 arc. U6 was serviceable and non-offensive at best. Super 17 is enjoyable when you turn your brain off, like the Tournament of Power in the anime.

B-b-b-b-but Android 16 is weaksauce. Piccolo can't be that weak.

The Daizenshuu contradicts itself (unintentionally, I'm sure), does it not? It states Goten isn't the least bit inferior to Gohan (obviously excluding Super Saiyan 2). It also states Trunks is capable of fighting on par with Android 18. How could both positions be true simultaneously if: Base...

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That wouldn't be feasible. Our schedules don't align.

I think that has more to do with their capability as an overall fighter, not just power. The humans are all experienced enough to fight as individual units and not have to rely on somebody else to function at 100%, whereas the kids don't have that experience and have always been tag team...

It says nothing of 17 in relation. edit: Hmm. Ya know what? I kind of glanced over the fights again and nothing stands out about 18 in particular. She's never separated from 17 either, though. Apart from when she hit Shimishimi and 17 hit Seven-Three, they both were in total sync, and nobody...

How do we know this?