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Who wins? I think Goku reasonably surpassed SS Gotenks, but how would he fare against SS Gogeta?

Is it possible that Gotenks didn't suffer any strain from Super Saiyan 3, but instead just had his fusion time shortened? I know it was only ever stated in GT that SS4 shortened Gogeta's fusion, but does it seem plausible for Z that perhaps fused Saiyans don't suffer the stain of SS3 and instead...

Bardock shouldn't have an asterisk, he was in the manga.

Gogeta obviously wins this, but does Zeno at least put up a good fight? :manabu

What are your favorite songs from the Pokémon games? Here's some of mine: Yeah, I think Gen 5 is definitely best music wise.

How strong does everybody consider Base Vegetto from the Black arc? Using other Super characters to compare him to would be preferable.

Since The King is never named in the manga, we can't actually be sure of what his name is. I don't think it's Vegeta. :shillary

I'm not sure if this point has been brought up before, but: Goku wasn't able to transform into a Super Saiyan at will at first, and said that he needed a lot of practice. I don't think any reasonable person would try to argue that Gohan practiced transforming into a Super Saiyan 2 a lot during...

Smogon isn't loading on my computer, so I can't provide a link, but :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm.

Who wins? I could see this going either way, though I would be willing to give Trunks the edge. I consider 5th form Cooler to be equal to Mecha Freeza, and Goku seemed to have a bit of difficulty with Cooler's Supernova while Trunks easily caught Freeza's (I am aware that scene is...

Reference numbers Gotenks ~ Super Saiyan 3: 6,000,000,000,000,000 Son Gohan ~ Ultimate: 9,000,000,000,000,000 Evil Boo ~ Gohan absorbed: 15,000,000,000,000,000 Vegetto ~ Super Saiyan: 180,000,000,000,000,000* * Changed from Z list to fit with statements from GT Ultimate Dragon Balls...

Which HERO archetype is the best in a competitive dueling setting? Elemental, Masked, or Evil Heroes? Also, are Neos-based decks viable?

Like the Goku Type/Vegeta Type/Etc Type equips in Sparking! Meteor. Do they even affect how your character plays? DBZAOTA482 You seem pretty good at this stuff.

I think it's pretty good.

So instead of creating a new thread every time more information gets leaked, I thought it would be neater to keep all of the discussion in a single thread, which I will pin. I'll start it off with a discussion point. Does anyone else want Primal Reversions NOT to return in this game? 1. I'm...

XW14HO7C1Dg So basically, the new legendaries' abilities are just fancy versions of Clear Body, and only one of them has a decent typing... Let's hope they have really good stats.

XW14HO7C1Dg So basically, the new legendaries' abilities are just fancy versions of Clear Body, and only one of them has a decent typing... Let's hope they have really good stats.

Disclaimer: If you intend to post in this thread about Freeza being stronger than Base Saiyans, don't. This thread is specifically for people who believe otherwise. Now, most people agree that Base Goten and Trunks aren't much higher than #18 since they didn't easily overwhelm her in their...

Mine is SS3 Goku versus Fat Janemba. That punch with the blue electricity is really kewl. :cage1

He's came up in a few versus threads recently, but I'd like to have an actual discussion on his strength. How strong is he? Can he be stronger than Pure Boo without it technically contradicting anything?