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Androids arc: Gohan 5.400.000 Piccolo 5.404.000 Piccolo 270.720.000 Trunks 6.800.000 SSj Trunks 340.000.000 Goku 9.500.000 SSj Goku 475.000.000 Vegeta 9.600.000 SSj Vegeta 480.000.000 Android 19 180.000.000 Post Goku Kamehameha absorbed 200.000.000 Post Vegeta energy absorbed 225.000.000...

It's not an actual impossibility as you yourself admitted. His base form was never something relevant Pre Rosat, so something doesn't hold.

So, you think SSJ Trunks (Pre Rosat) could've done the same of pushing him back? Or what other thing lead Cell to say that?

The comment came before he transformed, and also Cell has data of SSJ Trunks being no match for either android.

@GreatSaiyaman123 Well, I think we greatly differ on that one... because I have 1st Post Rosat Base Vegeta like of 80% Namek Freeza on my new list... and the Cell Games Saiyans a whole lot above that as they were stronger than Grade 3 Trunks and Grade 3 increases massively the power of the user...

According to Cell's data, he states that with his (Trunks') level, he wouldn't be able to defeat the androids, much less him: After Trunks pushes him back, Cell states that Trunks has gotten stronger before Trunks went SSJ: Do you think this is in reference of his base self now surpassing...

*The strongest pure saiyan which gets stronger with training However, in Episode 2, he is shown training during the scene of Vegeta calling Goku the strongest saiyan. How can we infer that? Piccolo never knew about Goku's defeat against Beerus, only Vegeta does. Either way, I think we are...

@GreatSaiyaman123 Which I'm not denying. The point is to prove that BoS Goku > Buu Saga Goku. Either way, how do you answer of the fact that Piccolo's shock about Gohan's defeat against Beerus?

Well, it was something entertaining it has incredible moments such as Vegeta's speech or the Genkidama crisis, which make it feel the tension, but what I don't like is the fact that made Goku and specially Vegeta makes looks like idiots understaming the SSJ3 drain and Kid Buu, and as well as the...

Goku wouldn't dare to do receive an attack such as that- his Namek SSJ self was simply out of his self and not thinking regularly. Piccolo may be betting on his regeneration, but he is still not that arrogant to let himself blasted out. Vegeta if he knows that he is in control would dare to...

Well, Toriyama didn't forget about Gohan's performance against Super Buu as there is an statement coming from Piccolo about Gohan being taken down that easy, so yes, there's no way to deny that BoG SSJ3 Goku is the supreme Z fighter even above Ultimate Gohan. Vegeta stated that Goku became the...

Vegetto doesn't describe himself as anything different from Goku/Vegeta and Goku knows and have records of him being Vegetto: Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P7.4 Context: after Vegetto splits up inside of Boo Goku: “Hey what are you doing? Don’t take off your Potara! I think we’ll be able to merge...

@Cirno77 Well, just feeling the intensity behind the punches would be enough to make an estimation. Krillin could make an estimate of Perfect Cell destroying Vegeta, I don't get why this would be anything different. Goku basically felt as in an entirely different body which is also comment that...

I have Orange Piccolo being far ahead of Golden Freeza from either the TOP or DBS: Broly. Super Hero Golden Freeza is speculative, though.

And how would Vegetto (Buu Saga) fit on this? I think Goku is estimating Vegeta to be on his level with the only exception of him having SSJ3 when he said that Vegetto would be powerless against Beerus (estimated fp). SSJ3 Goku (BoG) might be more than 10x times above his Buu Saga self...

I think every comment in the initial debut of SSJG makes it appear like Goku had expectations of SSJ God, but at the end it surpassed it greatly, this is also shown considering that after acknowledging that not even fusing with Vegeta, he asked himself if that SSJ God could be achieved through...

At least the idea of Freeza being dead is exclusive of Viz, but if it's not, then who was the one who killed him in everyone's mind? There's also this: Chapter: 328 (DBZ 134), P1.4-5, P2.1 Context: after learning that Goku beat Freeza Tenshinhan: “B-but, to think that a Super Saiyan would be...

Well, Goku was acknowledged as the strongest in the universe after defeating Freeza on the saga itself. This is also reinforced in the Buu Saga.

Jiren basically took down SSJBE Vegeta in one punch on that same episode, but yeah, I think that Vegeta was pretty low on stamina.

IMO Vegeta SSJBE3 is 12 times stronger than Vegeta SSJBE and IMO even a Goku SSJBE Kaioken x20 would still perish against Full Power Jiren, so Jiren takes this.