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Why Movie 12 Gogeta would be weaker than canon Gogeta? Vegeta is still as strong as his Buu saga self, so Gogeta still scales of everything that was said about him. Metamoran Gokhan would be equal to Gogeta, as Gohan has to lower his power to Goku and both Goku and Vegeta are equals as Goku only...

Actually, I think there is, at least for Gotenks and Gohan, Gogeta was stated to be able to defeat Base Super Buu, and considering that no fusion other than Gotenks was ever intended to use SSJ3, I think SSJ Gogeta is the most logical option. As well as there are the implications of metamoran...

Your reasoning being...?

Actually, it also depends at how powerful you have one fusion compared to the other (which I don't think the gap has to be that big). But, M12 SSJ2 Goku still being weaker than Fat Buu puts some limit at how strong he could have gotten (considering that Goku states that Janemba is the second one...

Case #1: SSJ3 Gotenks Case #2: Ultimate Gohan Case #3: Gotenks Buu Case #4: Gohan Buu Actual explanations and valid logic are welcomed to try to establish a limit to SSJ Gogeta, headcanon theories or logic such as "Movie 12 started its production at therefore Gogeta has to be weaker than...

IMO Sidra can either be equal, weaker or in Ssj Blue Goku's league of power (the one who rivaled Golden Freeza) just due to the fact that he considered terryfying his power on the Zen Exhibition Match, but that's just my assumption. And yeah, Jiren did several power ups after that, but people...

Well, it's likely possible, however, do you believe that even Suppressed Jiren is above him in terms of power?

Some people use Whis statement about Jiren "perhaps" surpassing Belmod or that "it appears" that the rumor is true to discredit this notion, however, in past instances similar things have been said from Whis: When everyone realized that Kaioken x20 Goku was powerless against Jiren: When is...

It's ambiguous. The only certain thing is that it's excluding Goku, as Vegeta is referenced as the most important person instead of him.

I am talking about the Vegeta that challenged 4th form Freeza, 3rd form Freeza can't access into his final form, neither Goku can use Kaioken (this is the Goku after his Zenkai). Who wins?

I personally think that the entire purpose of that scene is to show how Buu outsmarted him. Gohan pretty much understimated him when it comes to intelligence so is also possible that he understimated him generally.

Okay, let's assume that Super is non canon (even though it is), what makes you comment this on a section specifically talking about Super and from an event coming from Super?

So, you are using out of universe logic? Still, I don't know what those the movies have to do with this as it were retconned, and on top of that, this being a discussion related of Super's perspective on the matter, as it was explicitely posted on this section.

At a point in which he was being reckless, also, how do you know whether Vegeta didn't see him as a threat? Vegeta is always fighting someone no matter how strong is in relation to him. Vegeta has already seen Evil Buu fighting Good Buu, yet he doesn't consider him as something impressive.

That Gotenks Buu couldn't kill Ultimate Gohan, at that point even though he had already said he has to be quick to finish him off... on top of that, you were arguing that Gotenks Buu superiority over Gohan was bigger than Gohan's against Super Buu, and I was asking you for proofs of that other...

Beerus has always existed, he was even mentioned in Z when Old Kaioshin said that someone sealed him on that sword, which later we realized that it was Beerus the one who sealed him.

Semi Perfect Cell was much more desperate to reach his perfect form than his Imperfect self was.

But the only saiyan he didn't tolerate that much was the father of Vegeta. Also Beerus is a higher figure than Freeza as he is the God of Destruction.

Beerus asked him to do so when he was sleep, Beerus didn't even remember the name of the Ssj God and has to be constantly relying on either Whis or the Oracle Fish to do that. And actually, I think it makes the most sense for Freeza to destroy it because of his own will.

Of course, but Gohan didn't do it with Super Buu, Gotenks Buu did it with Gohan. Well yes, but Gotenks Buu has already launched a blast towards Gohan, after him saying that he has to be quick.