22nd Tenkaichi Budokai

[Void]

Goku and Tien are equal. Then Goku uses super speed and Tien is able to see him because of his third eye.

If you are going to break down Goku in the Tien fight it has to be...

1) Initial
2) Super speed
3) Battle Level

They're not completely equal, Tenshinhan says that he is at a disadvantage fighting Goku head on right before the Kikoho.

They're pretty god damn close though.

EDIT:

 

[p123]

I was referring to their first round...

This is how I have it now. I think I'm onto the right approach now...

Battle Level Goku >= Full Power Tien >= Max Match Level Goku = Super Speed Goku >> Tien (Initial) vs Goku (Initial)

That's only for the Tien vs Goku fight. Now to connect the dots.

Goku vs Tien (Initial) = Jackie vs Tien (After Powering Up) = Goku (vs Krillen after powering up)

So I think we see Goku use 3 sets of power against Tien, Tien uses 2.

Battle Level is not much more than Match level.

Or perhaps I'm wrong there.

 

[p123]

The only question I have is, why isn't Tien starting out at full power against Goku? But he couldn't be if we use the super speed technique to show a power up. I guess that's just how it goes...

You have to put it like this...

Powered Up Tien vs Powered Up Roshi vs Powered Up Goku

This simply has to be the same level for all three. This is when Goku powers up against Krillen, this also should be the same level he starts against Tien with. This level is also stated by Tien that (Roshi did not unleash his full power). So this is the last step to Roshi and Tien's full strength... The gap from this Goku to Super Speed Goku has to be significant and has to encompass both Roshi and Tien's full power...


Roshi/Tien/Goku 90

Roshi FP/ Match Level Goku / FP Tien 110 / 115 / 125

Roshi and Tien's FP and Match Level Goku

It's clear that Match Level Goku is >= Roshi's full power. Yet Tien seems to have some respect for Roshi's FP as well, he doesn't think it is a pushover, but he's assured of his win. We want Match Level Goku to be slightly superior to Roshi but still weak enough to warrant Goku getting caught off guard and beat down by Tien's full power...


Roshi 110
Goku 115
Tien 125


I think this encompasses all of those issues.

Roshi is 88% of Tien's full power, I'd like it a bit closer, but to warrant Goku being stronger, yet weak enough to get down by Tien and you need some space to make Battle Level > Match Level at least somewhat reasonable.

Battle Level 130.

This gives Goku a bit of a power up, enough of a lead of Tien to make the fight make sense without making it too much and you have to explain his first attack on Tien as surprise similar to Tien's attack on Super Speed Goku...


Very, very complicated shit. But I THINK I FINALLY GOT THIS SHIT. What a motherfucker of a series.

Fucking WITHELD has had the inside edge on this for a long time. Gotta give him credit here, he's had the proper eye on this.

 

[p123]

Also want to note that Super Speed Goku has to be close to Tien's FP based on Tien's reactions to it. He's sweating, he's like oh shit, he can barely see. Goku has to be right there with Tien. Or at least very close. Hell, I might even Jump it up to this..

Roshi 115
Goku 120
Tien 125
Goku 130

THat might be the right way or the other way I had it might be the right way as well. Tough call, but we got it wittled down now.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

King Chappa should be somewhat close to Krillin, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu. Krillin and Yamcha were losing their shit over Goku beating him so easily implying they would actually have to try hard against him.

I still think they're stronger than him though.

 

[p123]

Yea I have it like this...

King Chappa 450
Yamcha/Chaozu 525
Krillen 550