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[p123]

Yes I was debating with that as well. Not sure how much I want to push there... There are many schools of thought, one being that Trunks would manhandle Freeza easily. I might twist the situation a bit to suit my needs of the story. Massive improvement from Namek to Androids doesn't seem suggested overall in terms of Super Saiyan power and you can find statements that go against it, but you can also see the overall story, the talk of being a " Super Saiyan " and the need for the ROSAT all pointing to not pushing things all that much as well. It's a strange issue, not sure where I'm leaning right now.

 

[ahill1]

So aren't you going with Goku having 2 base powers anymore?

 

[p123]

Oh yes, you are right. Yea I have to work on the powers after Vegeta/ Initial True Form Freeza powers. Everything before looks rock solid though.

 

[ahill1]

I think 1st form Freeza initial at 440k too high. Piccolo didn't seem too overly crushed by initial Freeza's power and only seemed to lose the hopes of winning without merging when Freeza was increasing his powers even more. Not to mention Gohan and Kuririn's reaction, saying they never thought it would be this much. I think 300k works better.

 

[p123]

Just measly 300k? I don't know... When did Freeza power up during the Nail/Piccolo conversation?

 

[Void]

300-350k for suppressed First Form Freeza should work If you think pre-Nail Piccoro is roughly half of First Freeza's full power. Freeza's power up seems big, bigger than going from 440k to 530k.

 

[ahill1]

Agreed, 440k to 530k seems to be lowballing it. Kuririn and Gohan said they didn't think it was by that much.

 

[SSJ2]

The only problem with his suppressed form being that low is that Krillin and Gohan both fear Freeza greatly prior to seeing him power up, and they could be pushing 300,000 respectively at that time.

 

[ahill1]

That was before Vegeta gave them that prep talk though. It's possible they didn't realize how strong they were until Vegeta made note of their powers steadily rising.

 

[Void]

Piccolo still thinks he can help when Freeza is powering up too.

 

[p123]

Piccolo really is very strong.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Lol, tiger only 2x Bulma. Stopped reading there.

 

[p123]

2x is like a god tier gap. How much more god tier does a tiger have to me? He can tank Bulma full on and finish her in one swipe.

 

[ahill1]

I don't quite get the Mecha Freeza < Organic Freeza and Mecha saga Trunks < Namek Goku. What is this about?

 

[p123]

Each Saga has it's own separate number line so as not to have any influence from other sagas. It's a way to do things very quickly and neatly without having to do list after list and alteration after alteration. Eventually when all are fleshed out, then doing a complete list would make sense. But doing it saga by saga in this method is much easier for everyone.

 

[p123]

Take a look.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo (Weighted) 275,000
~ W/o Weights 350,000

Do you think Nail wasn't factoring the weights when he said Kamiccolomight be able to beat Freeza?

Cyborg Freeza (Suppressed) 250,000,000
~ Full Power (Unseen) 400,000,000

Trunks 16,000,000
~ Super Saiyan (Vs. Goku) 650,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 800,000,000

Funny that you were arguing Trunks not being more than 1.25x stronger than Freeza a while ago. But I know your reasons for having this gap

Other than that, no complaints. Seems pretty nice.

 

[p123]

Can Nail somehow sense hidden power?

 

[SSJ2]

I think the gap between Future Trunks and One Arm Gohan could be slightly lower. While it's only Bulma, she implies that Trunks is pretty well the same as him, and Trunks doesn't disagree.

 

[p123]

Trunks: “…I think I’m strong enough to beat the Androids now. We don’t have to go study them in the past!”
Future Bulma: “You’re too naïve. It’s true that you’ve gotten astoundingly strong, but have you forgotten how Gohan was killed 3 years ago? I don’t think you’re that amazingly different than Gohan back then…”


I feel I hit the sweet spot of Trunks being superior enough over Gohan to want to test his mettle, yet not overly powerful where he isn't amazingly different. He should be clearly superior though, imo.