Android 19/20 Power Discussion

[p123]

That last one is wrong. Literally no one agrees with you here. There's nothing that even suggests that in the series yet you hold on dearly. You have to evolve or die my friend.

 

[Victorious]

You have it 66.6% So why would I care about a 3.3% difference between mine and yours? Vegeta's none too impressive tank warrants a 10% difference between his gap on 19 and Gohan's gap on full power cell.

 

[p123]

You are dodging. Forget about the percentage gap. 19 Post vs 20 Post. 20 has the feats and the statements. What you gonna do Viccy boy

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No 19 fatigues or loses power and stamina, he just doesn't feel pain.

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P11.1
Context: after Goku beats up on No.19
Yamcha: “L-look. Despite being that beat up, he seems fine…”
Tenshinhan: “He’s an android. He probably doesn’t have pain or fatigue…”

 

[Victorious]

20 has no feats besides getting wrecked by Piccolo. What statements does he have?

 

[p123]

They are surprised by his speed, his thought of absorbing Piccolo gives Vegeta pause, he changes their opinion on whether or not these were the real Androids. I mean, how much more do you want?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Daizenshuu also says 20 is the superior model between him and 19. What 19 has?

 

[Victorious]

Well if he absorbed Piccolo's energy he would beat Vegeta.

 

[p123]

No, they meant Suppressed Piccolo again.

 

[p123]

Vegeta 1,250,000,000
Goku 1,200,000,000
Trunks 1,100,000,000
Piccolo 1,000,000,000
20 Post 850,000,000
Sick Goku 800,000,000
19 Post 750,000,000
Sicker Goku 650,000,000
20 Pre 625,000,000
Yardrat Goku 600,000,000
19 Pre 550,000,000
Trunks 500,000,000

FINALLY! I think I got it now!

 

[Victorious]

I guess that depends on how powerful suppressed Piccolo is.

 

[ahill1]

19 pre being already stronger than Trunks looks rather disingenuous imo. If #19 pre were already stronger than Trunks, then #19 post absorptions would be A LOT more powerful than the boy from the future due to #20 stating #19 increased his powers by a lot upon absorbing the KMHMH. Yet, Vegeta stating #19 isn't as bad as they were told they'd be kind of puts a damper on this.

 

[Victorious]

Oh wait isn't base Vegeta implied to be over suppressed Piccolo? Never mind. Lol. Unless his absorbtions are in no way addative. But that makes no sense.

 

[ahill1]

Oh wait isn't base Vegeta implied to be over suppressed Piccolo? Never mind. Unless his absorbtions are in no way addative

Well, the implication lies on Gero stating things would get more entertaining now that Vegeta has joined the heroes before knowing he could transform into a SSJ, which many take to indicate that base Vegeta is above suppressed Piccolo.

 

[p123]

I have Yardrat Goku at 80% of 19 Post. The rumors wouldn't be true with that kind of level. Goku and Trunks during the Trunks Saga could put up a decent fight against one of the androids on their own.

How much lower do you want to get than that?

Remember, the expectations of the Androids are that Yardrat Goku's power + 3 years of intense training = A little bit of hope.

So you guys need to shut the hell up with the idea of Trunks being competitive against 19 Post.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ahill, i don't really understand how that's supposed to imply Base Vegeta > Everyone. It's just that one more joined to get his energy sucked and then get his head ripped off like that dude on the car, that's the fun for Gero. Gero's statement shouldn't mean much in regard to Vegeta's power, unless he's actually looking forward to a fight than can drag him down on his plan to chase and kill Goku and is implying Base Vegeta rivals 19.

 

[Victorious]

Oh wait isn't base Vegeta implied to be over suppressed Piccolo? Never mind. Unless his absorbtions are in no way addative

Well, the implication lies on Gero stating things would get more entertaining now that Vegeta has joined the heroes before knowing he could transform into a SSJ, which many take to indicate that base Vegeta is above suppressed Piccolo.

Well absorbing a power below base Vegeta is not going to get him from getting bitchslapped by Piccolo to above SSJ Vegeta...assuming his absorbtions are addative. The gap between Piccolo and SSJ Vegeta alone is at least 10 base Vegetas.

 

[Victorious]

Suppressed Piccolo doesn't seem to be that high considering Gero got a good portion of his power and still got wrecked. Maybe Piccolo has 2 suppressed powers. The one Gero took and another one much higher after he ate the senzu.

 

[p123]

Vic, what do you think about my numbers? They look perfect to me now...

It gives respect to Yardrat Goku, but also respect to the story's progression. It's fair and balanced.

 

[Victorious]

I still don't like #19 post being 60% of SSJ Vegeta. U also have 19 pre too low compared to sick Goku IMO.