Anyone else want Freeza to kill Krillin in Super?

[Warmmedown]

I want to see Freeza kill Krillin again, just to see how little Goku gives a fuck.

 

[SSJ2]

Super needs something like this. Up until now it's felt like there have been no consequences for anything. The problem is we know by the end of Z, everyone is still alive. So even if people die they will be revived.

 

[Warmmedown]

Someone non-Z like Cabba could have died. Either keep them dead or use it to have an adventure arc looking for dragon balls in another universe. If it's Cabba Vegeta can lead, which might be more i interesting than Goku - like seeing him have to be nice to try to get information. Maybe throw in a "this is a clock" joke if a villain asks him what the dragon radar is (would be better if he finds the first few balls without one).

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I want to see Freeza kill Krillin again, just to see how little Goku gives a fuck.

Why krillin

 

[Warmmedown]

Because that made him lose his mind in Z, but now he'd probably be like oh Freeza you're naughty don't do that c'mon man, ok let's erase another 10 trillion people.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Considering how Piccolo died in the RoF arc and was brought back off-screen, I doubt Goku would even feel much anger at all. Part of the reason why Goku was so angry in the Namek arc was because Kuririn had already been revived once, and as far as Goku knew, there was no way to revive him again. Nowadays, Goku would simply wag his finger at Freeza and say "Nuh uh Freeza, you shouldn't do that".

 

[SSJ2]

Because that made him lose his mind in Z, but now he'd probably be like oh Freeza you're naughty don't do that c'mon man, ok let's erase another 10 trillion people.

Galu is literally a genocidal maniac in Super. Imagine thinking Super is an authentic DB experience

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Merus got erased for fighting and Goku unlocked UI and beat Moro thanks to it. The anime was also pretty nice with Goku losing his shit at Goku Black for killing Goten and Chi-Chi.

 

[Warmmedown]

Galu is literally a genocidal maniac in Super. Imagine thinking Super is an authentic DB experience

All the eps are on the BBC kids section. Makes me wonder what young kids think watching the main hero give zero fucks about so many people dying.

Merus got erased for fighting and Goku unlocked UI and beat Moro thanks to it. The anime was also pretty nice with Goku losing his shit at Goku Black for killing Goten and Chi-Chi.

Just watched the Black one and it was decent tbf. Did Black kill them in another timeline? I'll check the Merus one if they animate it.

 

[SSJ2]

Merus got erased for fighting and Goku unlocked UI and beat Moro thanks to it. The anime was also pretty nice with Goku losing his shit at Goku Black for killing Goten and Chi-Chi.

Except Merus is alive lol. Goku's rage at Black was one of the few good moments in the anime though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Just watched the Black one and it was decent tbf. Did Black kill them in another timeline? I'll check the Merus one if they animate it.

 

[Warmmedown]

Yeh not that part.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Except Merus is alive lol.

In Dragon Ball, I think the death itself always matters more than whether it lasted. Kuririn was revived both times and didn’t ruin Goku’s scene. Paragus’ death is probably going to be permanent, but nobody gives a fuck.

I wish Merus stayed dead though. No point in bringing him back.

 

[Spiral-Force]

The writing kinda got to an awkward spot given how strong the elite are.

If a villain comes along acting like they're untouchable, but realistically wouldn't want any parts of Zeno or the Angels, it's not as intimidating.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

For me it’s not so much the villains (The angels can’t do anything anyway), but Goku’s own progression. How is he supposed to be stronger than nigh omnipotent people like Zeno? How is he going to find any challenge after that?

The first two series end with the narrator saying the adventures continue, but that there’s no time. When Goku surpasses Zeno (if he does), the story is over forever. It’s kind of depressing to imagine Goku realizing he has no one to surpass. And it’s not like the series to explore existential stuff like this.

 

[SIAD]

For me it’s not so much the villains (The angels can’t do anything anyway), but Goku’s own progression. How is he supposed to be stronger than nigh omnipotent people like Zeno? How is he going to find any challenge after that?

The first two series end with the narrator saying the adventures continue, but that there’s no time. When Goku surpasses Zeno (if he does), the story is over forever. It’s kind of depressing to imagine Goku realizing he has no one to surpass. And it’s not like the series to explore existential stuff like this.

I wonder if Vegetto ever surpassed Beerus.

Something that I would love to see is that I have Goku and Vegeta overcome Beerus and Whis, that they train with the Daishinkan.

If Goku and Vegeta ever surpass Zen'o, I'd like them to show us that there are other Multiverses and a Megaverse. Some time ago I dreamed that in DBS there are other Multiverses and there are 2 Deities superior to Zen'o and they were characters with the appearance of an older adult and they were more serious characters.

 

[Spiral-Force]

For me it’s not so much the villains (The angels can’t do anything anyway), but Goku’s own progression. How is he supposed to be stronger than nigh omnipotent people like Zeno? How is he going to find any challenge after that?

The first two series end with the narrator saying the adventures continue, but that there’s no time. When Goku surpasses Zeno (if he does), the story is over forever. It’s kind of depressing to imagine Goku realizing he has no one to surpass. And it’s not like the series to explore existential stuff like this.

That's generally the case for the Angels, but as we saw with Whis, they're not beyond helping out here and there. Some of the more vocal ones also seemed quite emotionally invested and biased to their Universes during the ToP.

Definitely seems like quite an obstacle to begin to climb for Goku. I think we both know that Multiversal isn't an unsurpassable tier in and of itself, but that how Goku would get there, if at all, is what would be questionable alongside how that affects the storyline.

Looking at it from a broad thematic perspective, recurring elements are:
- Saiyans having no limits
and
- The series having a tendency to trivialise previous powerhouses with the next big thing

If the writers were to have Zeno surpassed by Goku, it'd essentially be a result of this framework. Not that it wouldn't be without criticism of course.

 

[Yoshi]

If Krillin were to die by Freeza and Goku hypothetically wouldn’t care, that would prove that Super Goku is radically different from his Z counterpart.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

I want Krillin to get a transformation just to desecrate the franchise further.