Base Goku (Post-God) ~ SSG Goku (BOG) in the Manga

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I see a lot of people claiming Goku hadn't received the God powess and it's anime only, but I'm gonna prove that it's clear as day even in the Manga.

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In Toyotaro's Rebirth Of F manga, it depicts Goku utilizing the power of the Super Saiyan God form that he attained back in Battle Of Gods, as can be seen by the shadow of SSG above Goku when he attacks. Toyble wouldn't have made that depiction if that wasn't the case.

Also, Gohan while in Super Saiyan form states that he has no chance against the newly trained Freeza even while being in his First Form, and that they need Goku for assistance.

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After Freeza transforms into his True Form, Goku then not only trade blows with him, but actually has an advantage on him.
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Take this to mean he's still below his god form from back then, but considering how immense the boost from Freeza's first form to True Form, which Piccolo already called him a monster in his first form, I think it's safe to say Goku in his Base would finger flick SSj3 Goku (BOG) out of existence.

Also, Zamasu states that Goku Black has surpassed ''Super Saiyan God'', and since he was a being of god status that has already surpassed Super Saiyan God before turning SSGSS, his hair was pink.
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The only flaw I'd find in the FnF evidence is the questionable canon status of the manga, as it was made months before Super was even announced, making it unlikely to tie into the DBS Manga.

Not sure where you're going with the part about Black surpassing Super Saiyan God. If anything, it goes against your point due to it suggesting SSJ Black didn't fully surpass the plateau of Super Saiyan God, with his initial power already dwarfing that of Base Goku's.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
The only flaw I'd find in the FnF evidence is the questionable canon status of the manga, as it was made months before Super was even announced, making it unlikely to tie into the DBS Manga.

Not sure where you're going with the part about Black surpassing Super Saiyan God. If anything, it goes against your point due to it suggesting SSJ Black didn't fully surpass the plateau of Super Saiyan God, with his initial power already dwarfing that of Base Goku's.

I still consider it in Super's continuity, which is the reason why he didn't bother continuing it.

Zamasu seems to imply when surpassing SSj God while in god status, the hair is pink rather than blue while being SSj Blue. Hence Goku and Vegeta not having pink hair, cause they aren't Kaioshin's or a godly being while surpassing the plateau of SSj God in base. It doesn't imply Goku Black only surpassed SSj God in SSj Rose.
 

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Gohan probably lost his ultimate power (or most of it), as he isn't even sure if he can go ssj, not to mention he hasn't his Ultimate's designer anymore (as he had at the BoG). But can we conclude 1st form Freeza > Ultimate Gohan? Piccolo has stated 1st form Freeza is a monster from a different dimension, after seeing Ultimate Gohan and Super Boo.
 

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Manga-wise we can assume so. Anime-wise his statement seem more directed at the gap between pre and post-training Freeza.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Manga-wise we can assume so. Anime-wise his statement seem more directed at the gap between pre and post-training Freeza.

So is post training Freeza 1st form > Ultimate Gohan in the manga? Damn, that would make base Goku really strong.
 

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Based on Piccolo's wording, that seems to be the bare minimum for 1st form Freeza's strength.

Not surprising, considering if we assume Goku's power is little different from the anime, that ought to make Base Goku (post-God) > SS3 Vegetto (Start of DBS) at the very least
 

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I didn't get the impression Piccolo was comparing Freeza to Boo or, hell, even DJ Cell.
 

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Did Viz translate the RoF manga? That scanlation up there has Piccolo saying "He's like some monster from another dimension." I assume First Form Freeza is at least relevant to some form of Boo.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Based on Piccolo's wording, that seems to be the bare minimum for 1st form Freeza's strength.

Not surprising, considering if we assume Goku's power is little different from the anime, that ought to make Base Goku (post-God) > SS3 Vegetto (Start of DBS) at the very least

But if base Goku were that strong, then Goku's line about SSJ2 Trunks being stronger than Gohan was back then seems a little out of hand, no?
 

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ahill1 said:
Captain Cadaver said:
Based on Piccolo's wording, that seems to be the bare minimum for 1st form Freeza's strength.

Not surprising, considering if we assume Goku's power is little different from the anime, that ought to make Base Goku (post-God) > SS3 Vegetto (Start of DBS) at the very least

But if base Goku were that strong, then Goku's line about SSJ2 Trunks being stronger than Gohan was back then seems a little out of hand, no?

Viz translated it as "Way stronger than Gohan was back then" whereas the fanslations have it as just "Stronger than". :sponge
 

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ahill1 said:
Goku's line about SSJ2 Trunks being stronger than Gohan was back then seems a little out of hand, no?
Apart from SSJ2 Kid Gohan, who else could Goku have compared Trunks to that wouldn't confuse the latter? It's not like Trunks was there to witness the Buu Saga and beyond in the present timeline.
 

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Yeah, that's a fair point. But maybe it was better just say nothing? I mean even if comparing to Gohan would be more natural, it'd be like comparing Raditz with Pilaf, considering even base Trunks should already be way stronger than Cell Games Gohan.
 
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