Base Goku (Post-God) ~ SSG Goku (BOG) in the Manga

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah, that's a fair point. But maybe it was better just say nothing? I mean even if comparing to Gohan would be more natural, it'd be like comparing Raditz with Pilaf, considering even base Trunks should already be way stronger than Cell Games Gohan.

Frieza was also surprised that Goku is stronger than Ginyu which is stupid since Frieza fought Gohan, Piccolo and Vegeta who are far stronger than Ginyu.

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It just show how Toriyama is not perfect.

 

[ahill1]

In the manga's case, Toyotaro ^_^

 

[Keedounan]

I see a lot of people claiming Goku hadn't received the God powess and it's anime only, but I'm gonna prove that it's clear as day even in the Manga.

In Toyotaro's Rebirth Of F manga, it depicts Goku utilizing the power of the Super Saiyan God form that he attained back in Battle Of Gods, as can be seen by the shadow of SSG above Goku when he attacks. Toyble wouldn't have made that depiction if that wasn't the case.

Also, Gohan while in Super Saiyan form states that he has no chance against the newly trained Freeza even while being in his First Form, and that they need Goku for assistance.

After Freeza transforms into his True Form, Goku then not only trade blows with him, but actually has an advantage on him.

Take this to mean he's still below his god form from back then, but considering how immense the boost from Freeza's first form to True Form, which Piccolo already called him a monster in his first form, I think it's safe to say Goku in his Base would finger flick SSj3 Goku (BOG) out of existence.

Also, Zamasu states that Goku Black has surpassed ''Super Saiyan God'', and since he was a being of god status that has already surpassed Super Saiyan God before turning SSGSS, his hair was pink.

Pretty good points. Now, the question is: is it canon to Toyotaro's manga? The manga was made long after this manga was written, and it only covers half of Freeza's battles, making it clear that the manga was simply there to promote the movie.

With Toyotaro working on his own manga independently of Toei (contrary to RoF mabga), it might explain why:
* Goku is seen using the SSJG (contrary to anime/movie/RoF manga), showing that he gained the form instead of keeping the power in his weaker forms.
* And that there isn't an explanation for Goku using SSJG's power in the first place.

As for Zamasu's quote, it's more dependant on one's interpretation.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Am I the only one who thinks that the reason why Goku doesn't used SSG in the anime is because he already absorbed its power? And the reason why he kept using it on the manga is because he didn't absorbed its power?

 

[Keedounan]

Am I the only one who thinks that the reason why Goku doesn't used SSG in the anime is because he already absorbed its power? And the reason why he kept using it on the manga is because he didn't absorbed its power?

You're not.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Am I the only one who thinks that the reason why Goku doesn't used SSG in the anime is because he already absorbed its power? And the reason why he kept using it on the manga is because he didn't absorbed its power?

You're not.

So you believe it too?

 

[Keedounan]

Am I the only one who thinks that the reason why Goku doesn't used SSG in the anime is because he already absorbed its power? And the reason why he kept using it on the manga is because he didn't absorbed its power?

You're not.

So you believe it too?

Indeed. Freezamite too (we agree on the same thing, for once).

 

[Papasmurf]

Post-god base is much stronger than pre-god base in the manga, there's just too little evidence for us to assume their lower forms stayed the exact same outside of the new god forms they attained and far too much evidence for base and SSJ/2/3 being massively powered up.

 

[Future Warrior]

Base Goku (Post-God) > Ultimate Gohan no matter how you look at it.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Gohan is not as strong as he was in the Boo arc anyway.

 

[Keedounan]

Post-god base is much stronger than pre-god base in the manga, there's just too little evidence for us to assume their lower forms stayed the exact same outside of the new god forms they attained and far too much evidence for base and SSJ/2/3 being massively powered up.

Said evidences are only in RoF, though, and whether it's canon or not needs to be clarified, as this manga was quite clearly advertisement for the movie, as it wasn't even finished.

It's a significant point because if you only read the Super manga, you wouldn't know about Goku keeping his SSJG power-up. Especially when he can turn into said form (the whole point in the anime and movie was to absorb the power-up in order to be permanent, after all).

Base Goku (Post-God) > Ultimate Gohan no matter how you look at it.

The only time Ultimate Gohan appeared in the Super manga was when Beerus attacked, though, and Goku never fought Beerus in base form.

 

[Future Warrior]

Post-god base is much stronger than pre-god base in the manga, there's just too little evidence for us to assume their lower forms stayed the exact same outside of the new god forms they attained and far too much evidence for base and SSJ/2/3 being massively powered up.

Said evidences are only in RoF, though, and whether it's canon or not needs to be clarified, as this manga was quite clearly advertisement for the movie, as it wasn't even finished.

It's a significant point because if you only read the Super manga, you wouldn't know about Goku keeping his SSJG power-up. Especially when he can turn into said form (the whole point in the anime and movie was to absorb the power-up in order to be permanent, after all).

Base Goku (Post-God) > Ultimate Gohan no matter how you look at it.

The only time Ultimate Gohan appeared in the Super manga was when Beerus attacked, though, and Goku never fought Beerus in base form.

Piccolo called Freeza a complete monster, and then transforms only to be at a disadvantage against Base Goku. Yes, Gohan has gotten weaker, but the gap between him and First Form Freeza is unfathomable. It's ludicrous to say Base Goku hasn't gotten at least stronger than Ultimate Gohan if we assume he hasn't absorbed Super Saiyan God (Which he did).

The Rebirth of F manga is the closest thing we have to know the events of the Super manga. There is a reason why Toyotaro didn't rewrite the arc, it's because he already made a manga for it. I think it's more likely it's part of Super's continuity than to say it isn't. Even if we assume it isn't, the events of ROF would have to at least be similar to the anime/manga, and Goku didn't use Super Saiyan God against True Form Freeza judging by the reactions of the form at the Universal Tournament.

 

[Papasmurf]

Post-god base is much stronger than pre-god base in the manga, there's just too little evidence for us to assume their lower forms stayed the exact same outside of the new god forms they attained and far too much evidence for base and SSJ/2/3 being massively powered up.

Said evidences are only in RoF, though, and whether it's canon or not needs to be clarified, as this manga was quite clearly advertisement for the movie, as it wasn't even finished.

It's a significant point because if you only read the Super manga, you wouldn't know about Goku keeping his SSJG power-up. Especially when he can turn into said form (the whole point in the anime and movie was to absorb the power-up in order to be permanent, after all).

Sure you can. Even from judging all the feats of base and lower SSJ forms in the Super manga they've clearly powered up to a point where the difference between those forms and god forms isn't all that vast. Less than 10% Vegeta could be frozen by suppressed Hit, who was stated to be lower than SSJ Goku in pure power and Black was deemed as no pushover judging by his feat of easily defeating SSJ2 Trunks FP. Even the two bases theory doesn't explain the latter occurrence.

 

[Keedounan]

Post-god base is much stronger than pre-god base in the manga, there's just too little evidence for us to assume their lower forms stayed the exact same outside of the new god forms they attained and far too much evidence for base and SSJ/2/3 being massively powered up.

Said evidences are only in RoF, though, and whether it's canon or not needs to be clarified, as this manga was quite clearly advertisement for the movie, as it wasn't even finished.

It's a significant point because if you only read the Super manga, you wouldn't know about Goku keeping his SSJG power-up. Especially when he can turn into said form (the whole point in the anime and movie was to absorb the power-up in order to be permanent, after all).

Base Goku (Post-God) > Ultimate Gohan no matter how you look at it.

The only time Ultimate Gohan appeared in the Super manga was when Beerus attacked, though, and Goku never fought Beerus in base form.

Piccolo called Freeza a complete monster, and then transforms only to be at a disadvantage against Base Goku. Yes, Gohan has gotten weaker, but the gap between him and First Form Freeza is unfathomable. It's ludicrous to say Base Goku hasn't gotten at least stronger than Ultimate Gohan if we assume he hasn't absorbed Super Saiyan God (Which he did).

The Rebirth of F manga is the closest thing we have to know the events of the Super manga. There is a reason why Toyotaro didn't rewrite the arc, it's because he already made a manga for it. I think it's more likely it's part of Super's continuity than to say it isn't. Even if we assume it isn't, the events of ROF would have to at least be similar to the anime/manga, and Goku didn't use Super Saiyan God against True Form Freeza judging by the reactions of the form at the Universal Tournament.

Well then, I'll concede that you have a point. Powerscaling is screwed...

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku surely got stronger but I don't think it should be equal to his SSG form, he's just strong enough where Freeza is like 200x stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

 

[Void]

Even if he didn't absorb all of the power from Super Saiyan God, we're still left with;
Base Goku RoF >~ True Form Freeza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First Form Freeza >> Super Saiyan Gohan

I don't see how base Goku could be weaker than U. Gohan, personally.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Sure but he doesn't have to be as strong as his SSG BoG version on his base form.

 

[ekrolo2]

I keep him at regular levels for the Super manga. I don't count Toyotaro's F manga for that any more than I count the F movie for the Super anime. In whatever version of F Toyotaro had in mind, I imagine he just had Goku use SSGod to fight Fourth Form Freeza before going Blue.