Beerus vs Moro

[Pakl]

How would that Turn on? Goku states Moro is the toughest opponent he had faced meaning Moro is stronger than Broli and Jiren. Beerus seems confident about taking on Moro. I think it's ridiculous as Broli was stated to be probably stronger than Beerus. So who wins?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Beerus wins - he was going to kill Moro, but he was interrupted by the angel dude's father.

 

[Keedounan]

Well, it just means Goku was wrong, since he did fight Beerus as well, who quite clearly doesn't think much of Moro as a threat. Whether Goku actually knows about his full power or not, it's made evident once more that Beerus' strength is a moving goalpost, with Goku and Vegeta clearly not intended to reach anywhere near his level until the very end of Super.

With that being said, Beerus destroys Moro.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Everything points to Beerus being stronger (or at least having the skills to kill Moro) with him needing to be brought away from the plot before even fighting and never acting as though UI Goku had surpassed him. Moro's durability might be a difficult thing for Beerus to overcome though...without Hakai to make it meaningless.

I think it's ridiculous as Broli was stated to be probably stronger than Beerus.

To be fair, we have no idea how much of the film translates into the manga continuity or if Broly ~ Beerus was part of Toriyama's script. It's been shown the manga continuity doesn't often take into account elements not present in Toriyama's notes, such as Tagoma not being present with Freeza in Hell suggesting its version of FnF was closer to the Z movie than the Super anime. Until he actually appears in the manga, it's up in the air how strong manga Broly is beyond being far above Pre-Moro PSSB Goku/Vegeta.

Whether Goku actually knows about his full power or not

Considering the Hakaishin were all told not to hold back in the battle royale, it's safe to say he did. It is worth noting though that Goku only calls Moro the "toughest" fighter he's came across, which may just be a reference to his durability. Not hard to imagine when this is the same guy who's old self barely stronger than SSG Vegeta took a kick from SSBE Vegeta very well.

 

[GSM123]

Moro said he's surpassed the gods when he fought UI Omen Goku, and his magic is enough to even the odds with the fighting obility of even a Ultra Instinct Sign, so Beerus's inferior power and half baked UI-esque technique won't save him.

 

[Future Warrior]

I just wanted to remind everyone that Beerus says he'll ''lend a hand'' rather than say he would outright defeat him himself. You could interpret that as him teaming up with MUI Goku.

 

[Papasmurf]

I just wanted to remind everyone that Beerus says he'll ''lend a hand'' rather than say he would outright defeat him himself. You could interpret that as him teaming up with MUI Goku.

He never seemed intimidated at Moro though, which casts doubt on the post-OG73 and post-Merus forms of Moro actually being above him.

 

[Future Warrior]

Beerus never seems to care about anything other than higher gods giving him orders. You’d think he would want to fly over to have a match with Broli and Gogeta Blue after sensing their power if even SSG could entertain him.

 

[Papasmurf]

Broly got warped to Vampa before Gogeta could finish him and Gogeta probably had like one minute of fusion time left after using Blue so...

Plus, if Moro did blow up along with the whole galaxy or quadrant of the universe or whatever I doubt Beerus will come out unscathed, and it would ruin the balance of the universe which he is supposed to protect by erasing unnecessary planets.

 

[Future Warrior]

Gogeta Blue and Broli lasted a lot longer than that.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gogeta Blue and Broli lasted a lot longer than that.

We don't know that for a fact considering the 5 minutes on Namek took almost a whole volume, plus I said Gogeta "had a minute left." I never said the whole fight was one minute. Look at how fast Vegetto defused, and his fusion time is supposed to be twice as long as Gogeta's.

 

[Future Warrior]

I just don't think Beerus' reaction really says much on where he stands.

For the record, 73-Moro compared to Beerus is debatable, although I just highly doubt Moro after gaining the power of Merus would be weaker than a GoD. He's using a an advanced technique that only the angels are capable of doing.

 

[Papasmurf]

Moro had no control over Merus' power though. The moment he used it for anything other than merely transforming, he swelled up like a balloon and even absorbing the Earth into himself didn't do much good seeing as he lost his sanity and would blow up even without being attacked.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm not taking into account Moro's control over UI. Obviously if they actually fought in the manga Beerus would come out on top due to that flaw.

 

[Papasmurf]

True, but look at Cell's reaction to SSJg3 Trunks. He felt a power above his (at the time) and was shocked. If Moro was ever stronger than Beerus (even if only in raw power, like Trunks was) I doubt someone as prideful as him would not have some sort of reaction.

 

[Future Warrior]

He was relaxing during the fight between Gogeta Blue and Broli. You know UI Moro lasted less than even that fight, right?

I'm not surprised at all that Beerus isn't shocked.

 

[Papasmurf]

Beerus had been watching the Moro fight long before Moro absorbed Merus' powers though. Since Whis can't intervene, you'd think someone gaining Angel powers would at least alarm him (esp since he didn't know for sure until after Moro destabilized that Moro couldn't handle such power). This combined with Supa's track record of retroactively wanking Beerus makes me somewhat doubt that he's truly been surpassed.

I'm not saying Beerus was anywhere near the site of the Broly vs. Gogeta fight, in fact my point was that Gogeta arrived like a few seconds after Broly started "fighting" Whis and that Gogeta probably defused moments after Broly and Freeza were BTFO'd from the planet.

 

[Future Warrior]

You're acting like he doesn't respect Moro's power at all. He's not shitting his pants but he even says himself that Angel power like that is nothing to scoff at (when hearing about Moro being incapable of handling it)

It's not like Moro is after his ass at that moment. The wording of the dialogue can imply he's trying to aid MUI Goku instead of take his place, and considering he then says ''I hope the other GoD's don't see me like this'' (or something like that) seems to support that interpretation.

 

[Papasmurf]

But Beerus gives no indication that he is weaker than Moro in the slightest. Not after Moro absorbed 73 and not even after he absorbed Merus' power. He isn't arrogant about his power to the point of delusion like Vegeta or most of the villains either. And the Moro Planet crisis was one of such magnitude that Vegeta swallowed his pride to aid Galu to the point of giving him ki, yet Beerus seems fairly nonchalant about it.

It'd still be consistent if Moro with his Angel-in-training power was indeed above Beerus, but him being drastically stronger than his 73 form which was already stated to be "tougher" than any previous opponent (including and ) makes the power chain seem like ass. That's why I cast doubt on Moro > Beerus, because when power chains are trash in Super it's usually to wank Beerus.

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't think Moro 73 is stronger than Jiren, that's not what Goku meant by him being the toughest.

Broli is at least as strong as Beerus, unless you think the latter was letting himself get beaten up during the GoD match. You telling me Broli is really that strong?