Beerus vs Super-Saiyan 2 Kefla

[Pakl]

Confession accepted, kid

 

[Pakl]

Did you watch last episode?

I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???

What was stated was stated. You can't just ignore it cause you didn't like it.

She was stated to be maybe even superior to initial UI Goku, so that's that. Goku either got that much stronger than his initial-self or his ultra-instinct helped him tons in the match. You also fail to mention that Kefla even stated that Goku's punches weren't all that great compared to what he was pulling-off when he was dodging here.

When was it stated that SSjin 2 Kefla was perhaps greater than Initial UI Goku? So ToP SSB Vegetto >> UI Goku Jiren and Beerus? Also if SSjin Kefla was having trouble with SSB Goku Kaioken x2 then how is SSjin 2 Kefla any match for even Initial UI Goku? Also, she was unable to even hit Goku who used her as a punching bag... I dont know how Kefla being any match for Goku makes even sense.... Can you post the statements whoch back it up?

 

[Pakl]

Troll harder bro.. SSjin Kefla was weaker than SSjin Blue Goku with Kaioken x2... SSjin 2 Kefla is just 4x SSjin or 2X if you follow official numbers so SSjin 2 Kefla cant be stronger than even Kaioken x10 Goku let alone x20...

Logically she can't, but Super's devoid of logic and that's how things are. Piccolo outright stated that SS2 Kefla had power possibly beyond Initial UI Goku and Whis stated SSJ Kefla's power was comparable to the Genki-Dama, which was above Kaioken x20 Blue Goku.

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus.. You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true... Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong.... Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I did and Goku was easily beating Kefura.... Her huge ki explosion was the real threat and even then Goku didnot bother much.... If SSB Vegetto in the Black Arc was in par with Beerus (which was only mentioned in the manga) how is SSjin 2 Kefla any threat for even initial UI Goku who is likely hakaishin level if not beyond???

What was stated was stated. You can't just ignore it cause you didn't like it.

She was stated to be maybe even superior to initial UI Goku, so that's that. Goku either got that much stronger than his initial-self or his ultra-instinct helped him tons in the match. You also fail to mention that Kefla even stated that Goku's punches weren't all that great compared to what he was pulling-off when he was dodging here.

When was it stated that SSjin 2 Kefla was perhaps greater than Initial UI Goku? So ToP SSB Vegetto >> UI Goku Jiren and Beerus? Also if SSjin Kefla was having trouble with SSB Goku Kaioken x2 then how is SSjin 2 Kefla any match for even Initial UI Goku? Also, she was unable to even hit Goku who used her as a punching bag... I dont know how Kefla being any match for Goku makes even sense.... Can you post the statements whoch back it up?

Piccolo said it when she was powering-up as Super-Saiyan 2, IIRC. And like was already said Super-Saiyan Kefla was said to have power rivalling that of the Genki-Dama which was >>> Kaio-Ken x20 Super-Saiyan Blue Goku already. It's possible she couldn't hit him because of Ultra-Instinct as-well, his punches were said to be not all that by Kefla.

 

[Mystic]

BEERUS is maximum

 

[Pocket-God]

Don't even waste your time with him, Pakl is a joke

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..

[/quote]Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

 

[Animelover5487]

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.
[/quote]

Jiren is not much over Hakaishin level. Kefla and Current UI Goku are still weaker than Jiren despite them being stronger than Initial UI so yeah Whis was more than likely estimating Jiren's FP.

Besides there is no way an SS2 fusion would be stronger than an SSB fusion. It is obvious now that the intent was to have Vegetto at Hakaishin level like his manga counterpart.

 

[Keedounan]

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

Considering Whis is aware that Jiren was holding back at this time, and Toei's site talking about his true power, I'm more inclined to think Whis was estimating his full power. Since from the looks of it, Jiren was holding back the entire time against UI Goku, this interpretation also makes it possible that Beerus is still above UI Goku and Kefla, though considering his reactions about the former, he's definitely getting up there.

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

Jiren is not much over Hakaishin level. Kefla and Current UI Goku are still weaker than Jiren despite them being stronger than Initial UI so yeah Whis was more than likely estimating Jiren's FP.

Besides there is no way an SS2 fusion would be stronger than an SSB fusion. It is obvious now that the intent was to have Vegetto at Hakaishin level like his manga counterpart.

I doubt it.

The SSJG boost was intended to be far stronger than Potara boost in the first arc. Three arcs later, Merged Zamasu was first intended to be fought only by Goku Blue and Vegeta Blue, then the idea of Vegetto came.

Here we are, and Jiren is stated to be far above everyone else they fought (which obviously include Zamasu), yet his full power is estimated to be either equal or above Hakaishin level.

It was clearly not intended. Otherwise, it would have been pointed out a long time ago.

 

[SSJ2]

Kefla being that strong with just SSJ is fucking ass. I'm sorry.

 

[Animelover5487]

I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

Considering Whis is aware that Jiren was holding back at this time, and Toei's site talking about his true power, I'm more inclined to think Whis was estimating his full power. Since from the looks of it, Jiren was holding back the entire time against UI Goku, this interpretation also makes it possible that Beerus is still above UI Goku and Kefla, though considering his reactions about the former, he's definitely getting up there.

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

Jiren is not much over Hakaishin level. Kefla and Current UI Goku are still weaker than Jiren despite them being stronger than Initial UI so yeah Whis was more than likely estimating Jiren's FP.

Besides there is no way an SS2 fusion would be stronger than an SSB fusion. It is obvious now that the intent was to have Vegetto at Hakaishin level like his manga counterpart.

I doubt it.

The SSJG boost was intended to be far stronger than Potara boost in the first arc. Three arcs later, Merged Zamasu was first intended to be fought only by Goku Blue and Vegeta Blue, then the idea of Vegetto came.

Here we are, and Jiren is stated to be far above everyone else they fought (which obviously include Zamasu), yet his full power is estimated to be either equal or above Hakaishin level.

It was clearly not intended. Otherwise, it would have been pointed out a long time ago.

Are you telling me that Kefla is stronger than SSB Vegetto?

 

[Keedounan]

Time: 4m59s
Whis: Kefla-san's energy rivalled the power of the Genki-Dama he bathed in.

Whis outright says SSJ Kefla ~ Kaioken x20 Blue Goku's Genki-Dama

Time: 7m26s
Piccolo: Kefla is definitely growing. Her power is unbelievable.

Piccolo says this after already witnessing UI Goku and Jiren.

Time: 7m58s
Piccolo: This power...It might even surpass Son's earlier level.

SS2 Kefla > Initial UI Goku

It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.

As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).

Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.

Considering Whis is aware that Jiren was holding back at this time, and Toei's site talking about his true power, I'm more inclined to think Whis was estimating his full power. Since from the looks of it, Jiren was holding back the entire time against UI Goku, this interpretation also makes it possible that Beerus is still above UI Goku and Kefla, though considering his reactions about the former, he's definitely getting up there.

Jiren is not much over Hakaishin level. Kefla and Current UI Goku are still weaker than Jiren despite them being stronger than Initial UI so yeah Whis was more than likely estimating Jiren's FP.

Besides there is no way an SS2 fusion would be stronger than an SSB fusion. It is obvious now that the intent was to have Vegetto at Hakaishin level like his manga counterpart.

I doubt it.

The SSJG boost was intended to be far stronger than Potara boost in the first arc. Three arcs later, Merged Zamasu was first intended to be fought only by Goku Blue and Vegeta Blue, then the idea of Vegetto came.

Here we are, and Jiren is stated to be far above everyone else they fought (which obviously include Zamasu), yet his full power is estimated to be either equal or above Hakaishin level.

It was clearly not intended. Otherwise, it would have been pointed out a long time ago.

Are you telling me that Kefla is stronger than SSB Vegetto?

In the same Anime that has Trunks beating an opponent as strong as Vegetto with a Genkidama fueled by twenty weaklings and two half-dead Saiyans ? Yes, unfortunately.

 

[Keedounan]

Kefla being that strong with just SSJ is fucking ass. I'm sorry.

99% of Super is stupid writing. At this point, I'm used to it.

 

[SSJ2]

Kefla being that strong with just SSJ is fucking ass. I'm sorry.

99% of Super is stupid writing. At this point, I'm used to it.

Agreed. I'm not denying it btw, just pointing out how retarded it is. Maybe if she was using that Berserker form, okay..

 

[Keedounan]

Kefla being that strong with just SSJ is fucking ass. I'm sorry.

99% of Super is stupid writing. At this point, I'm used to it.

Agreed. I'm not denying it btw, just pointing out how retarded it is. Maybe if she was using that Berserker form, okay..

Well, apparently, the form Kale was using upon completely mastering her Berserker (which is the same as Kefla was using) was stronger according to Tien. Even so Kale's form was nothing to a SSJG...

 

[SSJ2]

Kefla was using that form? Fuck, I have no recollection of the last 2 episodes already. I might have to painfully rewatch them.

 

[Keedounan]

Kefla was using that form? Fuck, I have no recollection of the last 2 episodes already. I might have to painfully rewatch them.

I'll post the clips so that you won't have to go through this pain. .

 

[SSJ2]

No I kinda need to. I don't remember the previous one at all, maybe 10% of it at most.

 

[Keedounan]

No I kinda need to. I don't remember the previous one at all, maybe 10% of it at most.

You're a brave person

 

[SSJ2]

That Broly-esque green warping animation when she's powering up makes me cringe so hard. Get that dogshit the fuck away from me bro.