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SuperSaiyan2 said:That Broly-esque green warping animation when she's powering up makes me cringe so hard. Get that dogshit the fuck away from me bro.
Not so brave after all

SuperSaiyan2 said:That Broly-esque green warping animation when she's powering up makes me cringe so hard. Get that dogshit the fuck away from me bro.
Why do you like the sperm of Broli so much if you now have a female one, noob?Pocket-God said:Don't even waste your time with him, Pakl is a joke![]()
Time: 4m59sCaptain Cadaver said:Pakl said:I have to go back to watch it... Can you post the statements? FT arc SSB Vegetto is in par with Beerus..
It is true based on the evidence we're given. Either that, or Whis was estimating Jiren's full power and not what he actually showed.You basically say SSjin 2 Kefura is ajead of Beerus which is not true...
As illogical as it is, SS2 Kefla > SSB Vegetto is possible, considering by Super's logic Kefla was becoming far stronger just from facing a stronger opponent (and being a Mary Sue fusion).Basically TOP SSB Vegetto would crush Jiren if Kefla was so strong....
Neither does about 99% of Super. That doesn't mean you can blatantly ignore evidence if debating the series.Regardless whats stated, it makes no sense
Pakl said:How do you know Piccolo didnt refer to Blue kaioken Goku when he said his earlier level? I mean, he said it before UI Goku was said to power up more than when he fought Jiren
Pakl said:Lol regardless
Pakl said:Maybe initial UI Goku in 115 was suppressed and then powered up to the power he had in 110?
Because nothing suggests he was referring to that level, especially not with Whis and Beerus' comments on Kefla's power and her already being as strong as 20x Kaioken Blue Goku with SSJ alone.Pakl said:How do you know Piccolo didnt refer to Blue kaioken Goku when he said his earlier level? I mean, he said it before UI Goku was said to power up more than when he fought Jiren
Genki-Dama >>> 20x Kaio-Ken SSj-Blue Goku or else why would he use it when all else fails?Pakl said:He said her power rivaled the genki dama not 20x Kaioken Bue Goku... Rou said SSB Goku rivals the gods too.... Just saying... Also SSjin Kefura was having troubles with Kaioken SSJ Blue Goku.... It makes no sense
Pakl said:He said her power rivaled the genki dama not 20x Kaioken Bue Goku...
Rou said SSB Goku rivals the gods too.... Just saying...
Also SSjin Kefura was having troubles with Kaioken SSJ Blue Goku.... It makes no sense
Goku said "kaioken"... When he uses an overall level of kaioken he mentions it... Also Kefla had troubles with Blue Goku... She beat Goku because she caught him off guard... Goku awakening Ultra Instinct doesnt mean he can only beat her like that (I am not denying she is stronger but thats not the proof) remember Goku was still tired...Keedounan said:Pakl said:He said her power rivaled the genki dama not 20x Kaioken Bue Goku...
Genkidama > 20x Kaioken. Why else Goku was surprised it didn't work on Jiren after getting stomped ?
Rou said SSB Goku rivals the gods too.... Just saying...
That's a nice point. However, the main point is that Kefla's power pushed Goku beyond his limits to win, making it clear Ultra Instinct was absolutely needed to take her down. Goku even says "You can't beat me anymore", meaning Kefla was still stronger than him even with Kaioken.
From there, having her equal to Genkidama isn't much of a stretch.
Also SSjin Kefura was having troubles with Kaioken SSJ Blue Goku.... It makes no sense
All it took was one hit to knock Goku out, though. And we don't know which Kaioken multiplier was being used. Before Whis said anything, we didn't know that Goku was using KKx20, meaning he doesn't need to say which multiplier he's using in order to use it.
So he could have used KKx2 like KKx20 for all we know.
Pakl said:Goku said "kaioken"... When he uses an overall level of kaioken he mentions it...
Also Kefla had troubles with Blue Goku...
She beat Goku because she caught him off guard...
Goku awakening Ultra Instinct doesnt mean he can only beat her like that
remember Goku was still tired...