Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

[Pyro]

@Pyro nobody said durability in this thread until now, take your pills dude

I suppose just replacing the bit where I wrote “beyond limits” to “full power” will fix this whole UI connudrum?

The usage of toughest is still most likely referring to strength, though. It's only ever been used to describe durability and strength, so take your pick, snob.

I suppose just replacing the bit where I wrote “beyond limits” to “full power” will fix this whole UI connudrum?

Nah, man. That still means ToP Goku > Moro arc Goku, which is turds.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The usage of toughest is still most likely referring to strength, though. It's only ever been used to describe durability and strength, so take your pick, snob.

his magic is tough

Earlier you mentioned Goku and Vegeta being said to surpass Broly. When was that?

Nah, man. That still means ToP Goku > Moro arc Goku, which is turds.

How? ToP Goku is 12,500 while Moro Goku is 15,000. They’re only rivals when Moro Goku is suppressed. Do you think current UIO Goku should rival ToP MUI Goku?

 

[Pyro]

I misread it. Nevermind.

Regarding Goku and Vegeta, it's stated in chapter 70.

Goku: "Do you know of someone stronger than us, Whis?"
Whis: "No, not specifically."

So Broly ain't it, boss.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Edited some shit.

Raised regular SSJB’s power by a bit. Now following SSJ2’s logic that the bursts are only as strong as non perfected SSJB.

Erased all the Broly shit since he’s probably weaker than in the movie. That or Goku and co. got REALLY strong since the movie.

Changed “beyond limits” for “full power” in UI Goku vs Moro.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't mind this too much. I still think Blue bursts should be more staggering compared to SSJG. What you have is what I'd assume regular Blue would be, and Bursts would be ~100.

Also when did MZ power up?

 

[Pyro]

I don't mind this too much. I still think Blue bursts should be more staggering compared to SSJG. What you have is what I'd assume regular Blue would be, and Bursts would be ~100.

Also when did MZ power up?

After he tooled SSJG Goku/Vegeta initially, I believe.

 

[SSJ2]

Really? I don't remember that.

 

[SSJ2]

For anyone still on the fence or against CSSJB > SSJB Bursts, just look at how Vegeta was managing against SSJR Black.

While it's not arguable that Vegeta wasn't going for the kill, there is no reason to believe that Vegeta was holding back power. Black was still capable of blocking some of his blows, and it took a fair amount of time for Vegeta to really wear him down.

Merged Zamasu was ecstatic about how powerful he had become.

Ch. 23, pg. 15.5-7
Context: after Zamasu’s huge explosive wave
Zamasu: “Perfect… This is too perfect. This is amazing!! This is devastating power!! This is it! This is what I’ve wanted!! Look at this, filthy Lord of Lords!!! The time of you feeble Gods watching over everyone is now over!!”

Do you really think that the guy who vehemently hated mortals would be so excited about being equal to their level? I think not. And we know that Goku was able to match this level of strength using CSSJB.

Furthermore, the main difference between CSSJB and Bursts is that the complete form is sealing the power of Blue within the body. Using Bursts might make the transformation more efficient and easier to maintain in the long run, but power is still escaping when Blue is used. It can't be using all of Blue's power if the power isn't sealed within the body.

 

[Future Warrior]

I misread it. Nevermind.

Regarding Goku and Vegeta, it's stated in chapter 70.

Goku: "Do you know of someone stronger than us, Whis?"
Whis: "No, not specifically."

So Broly ain't it, boss.

Nigga they are not stronger than Broli for fucks sake. And don’t disrespect my boy GSM else you want me and him to start throwing hands at you. Cunt.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

GET HIS BOOMER ASS FW

 

[Pyro]

Nigga they are not stronger than Broli for fucks sake. And don’t disrespect my boy GSM else you want me and him to start throwing hands at you. Cunt.

Wow, you eat ass for ignoring a blatant statement like that. Hyuk hyuk.

@Super Saiyan Goku stated Vegeta wasn't losing any power through the switch technique.

 

[Future Warrior]

I do eat ass and proudly so. But go ahead and keep deluding yourself just like you do with DBS #17. Just don't come making excuses when we see Broli making Vegeta his bitch and suddenly you'll feel like a bitch for dissecting that statement like it's some historical discovery for your power scale.

 

[ahill1]

Broly >> Moro wtf you nuts???

 

[SSJ2]

@Super Saiyan Goku stated Vegeta wasn't losing any power through the switch technique.

I don't mean he was losing power in that sense. I mean he wasn't truly accessing the maximum due to not storing ki in his body. The bursts allowed him to maintain full power at regular blue level.

 

[ahill1]

It's weird because when Vegeta swallowed the Senzu, his punch in Blue had barely any effect in Black... what difference is there (in regard to accessing Blue's power) between using Blue right after the Senzu bean and using Blue in bursts? It almost seems like Vegeta got stronger too.

 

[Papasmurf]

It's weird because when Vegeta swallowed the Senzu, his punch in Blue had barely any effect in Black... what difference is there (in regard to accessing Blue's power) between using Blue right after the Senzu bean and using Blue in bursts? It almost seems like Vegeta got stronger too.

There doesn't seem to be one post-Rosat seeing as Beerus praised the explosive power of Blue when Vegeta attacked him right after transforming. This also doesn't seem to be after Blue drained him either, since when Beerus whacked him with his tail straight afterward and knocked him into a lake, Vegeta was able to access the full power of CSSJB. Pre-Rosat though... it seems like just maintaining Blue makes you weaker even if you receive a Senzu. Which is retarded since Vegeta showed no signs of fatigue from beating up SSJ Black in SSJB, and Black still not "having surpassed SSJG" should mean that Black should be significantly below a Senzu'd Vegeta, but that's Faggotaro for you.

 

[SSJ2]

Maybe Blue is so powerful that a senzu bean can't bring you to 100%. Trunks could barely heal one SSJB.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Talking about healing… How did Dende even heal Goku and several other PSSJB+ tiers vs Moro? He’s weaker than Trunks is…

 

[SSJ2]

Talking about healing… How did Dende even heal Goku and several other PSSJB+ tiers vs Moro? He’s weaker than Trunks is…

His god ki > Trunks' ki for healing

 

[Pyro]

I do eat ass and proudly so. But go ahead and keep deluding yourself just like you do with DBS #17. Just don't come making excuses when we see Broli making Vegeta his bitch and suddenly you'll feel like a bitch for dissecting that statement like it's some historical discovery for your power scale.

So accept the statement as it is and chew some gum, unless you've got evidence to prove Whis wrong right now.