Black, ToP and Moro arcs power levels

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, Kuririn is no unreliable source since he saw Hit in action and he rivaled Goku. So did Vados, but the “perfect fighter” thing was in reference to her having Caulifla’s brains and Kale’s muscles.

Again, her calling Kefla a perfect fighter when she is weaker and has less special abilities than Hit would be madness.

In the Japanese version they call Frost the best hand to hand fighter on the team (rather than the best warrior), and at this point Cabba had yet to learn how to turn SSJ, Magetta mainly relies on lava spit and Hit relies primarily on time stopping.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Going with these numbers, Vegeta being at "less than 10%" against Hit would be around 3%, to be exact. Not too low, is it?

 

[Pyro]

Pretty low, bruh.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Well it's more than 1% so whatever

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Updated.

Removed "beyond limits" Jiren since it's basically FP Jiren but faster. I think MUI Goku and FP Jiren were pretty close, UI's speed giving Goku the edge.

I checked the manga and there's actually a scene were Goku forces himself to power up while using UI, so fuck you all for saying there's no beyond limits UI.

Accepted that MUI (Vs Moro) > MUI (ToP). Only way to keep Goku being the top dog when Broly is in the mix.

Raised SSJBE Vegeta to > UIO Goku. Got him stronger than Beerus even!

 

[Pyro]

Wait, Vegeta > Beerus? The fuck sense does that make?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He’s already stronger currently, so I suppose it doesn’t hurt to make him stronger in the Moro fight.

 

[Pyro]

You're on drugs if you think that's supported by the story.

 

[ベジータ]

He’s already stronger currently, so I suppose it doesn’t hurt to make him stronger in the Moro fight.

Beerus kicked his ass on panel though lol

 

[ベジータ]

Why Moro 73 that weak? He oneshotted SSBE Vegeta in a suppressed state.

 

[Pyro]

Beerus easily trounced SSBE Vegeta in chapter 69, @GreatSaiyaman123. Like, Vegetto vs Gohan-Boo whooping.

Beerus >>> SSBE Vegeta > Broly > Jiren

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Bruh I straight up forgot about that

So what does that mean Beerus can do that to e.g. Belmond? Always thought all Hakaishins were within spitting range of each other.

@Soldierofficial I think the power up Moro got from 7-3 has to be minimal since Moro was so weak he returned to his weakened state, and I see no reason why absorbing 7-3 would be more than addition.

I also have SSJBE Vegeta fairly powerful because he’s stronger than UI Omen Goku, but I kinda forgot how easily 7-3 Moro defeated him… He even tanked a clean blast from Vegeta.

 

[Pyro]

It's actually kind of ridiculous the gap this puts between Beerus and Belmod. Beerus can near-effortlessly stomp Vegeta, who can likely stomp Jiren by now, who's stronger than Belmod. It also means any of the gods in range of Beerus' power could also quickly dispatch of the implied weaker gods like Belmod.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah. SIAD told me in the other thread that the gap between Hakaishins was comparable to the gap between the Saiyan classes in the past and I thought he was exaggerating, but he might be correct.

 

[SIAD]

@Captain Cadaver Could you give your power numbers, using the characters from that list? It is a draft after all.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Going back to UIO > SSJBE. Goku was probably only admitting inferiority to Vegeta because he was beating the main villain this time and/or because UI was too much of a wild card still. Otherwise how is Goku fighting Moro far better than Vegeta? Vegeta couldn’t even draw blood until Spirit Fission kicked in. It was clear from the beginning Vegeta’s power wasn’t enough, unlike Goku who was a clear rival.

Haven’t made the numbers yet though.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Edited once again.

 

[SSJ2]

It's actually kind of ridiculous the gap this puts between Beerus and Belmod. Beerus can near-effortlessly stomp Vegeta, who can likely stomp Jiren by now, who's stronger than Belmod. It also means any of the gods in range of Beerus' power could also quickly dispatch of the implied weaker gods like Belmod.

Beerus is miles ahead of the other gods.

 

[SIAD]

I've reverted to Gohan and Kefla > Goku logic so decided to make a new list. I think Kuririn might have expected Goku to have more power than he had shown, or perhaps was referring to Gohan keeping up in the future.

Goku Black

Goku: 100
~ SSJ: 250
~ SSJ2: 312.5
~ SSJ3: 625
~ SSJG: 2,500
~ SSJB: 3,750

Trunks: 120
~ SSJ2 (Suppressed): 320
~ SSJ2 (Full Power): 600

Goku Black: 675
~ Vs Vegeta: 750
~ SSJ: 900

Vegeta: 100
~ SSJ2: 1,000
~ SSJB: 3,750

Zamasu: 450
SSJ Goku Black (Zenkai): 2,250
SSJB Vegeta (Shouki loss): 2,250

SSJ Rosé Goku Black: 3,000

SSJG Vegeta: 2,500
~ SSJB (Bursts): 3,750

Merged Zamasu: 5,000
~ Full Power: 6,000

Vegetto:
~ Post Senzu: 12,500
~ SSJB:

PSSJB Goku: 6,250

Tournament of Power

PSSJB Goku/Vegeta: 6,250

Freeza: 247.5
~ Golden Form: 6,187.5

#17: 6,750

Gohan (Initial): 150
Piccolo: 150

Trio De Danger: 90 - 135

Pride Troopers: <125
Dyspo: 625
Toppo: 6,250

Jiren: 10,000

Hit: 6,400
~ Time Cage: 12,800

Jiren (Powered up): 15,000

Cabba: 100
~ SSJ: 250

Caulifla: 120
~ SSJ: 300

Kale: 500
~ LSSJ: 5,000
~ LSSJ (Peak): 7,500

SSJ Kefla: 15,000
Gohan (Vs Kefla): 15,000

PSSJB Goku (Blue Kaio-Ken): 18,750
Jiren (Powered up): 30,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 25,000

Ultra Instinct Goku (Omen): 250,000
~ Complete: 500,000

Jiren (Serious): 240,000
~ Full Power: 400,000
~ Beyond Limits: 480,000

Quitela: 1,250,000
Beerus: 1,200,000 (800,000 in the past)
Rumoosh: 1,125,000
Mosco: 1,000,000
Champa: 750,000
Iwan: 625,000
Liquiir: 562,500
Heles: 540,000
Sidra: 500,000
Gin: 480,000
Arak: 450,000
Belmond: 375,000

Broly

Goku/Vegeta: 120
~ SSJ: 300
~ SSJG: 3,000
~ PSSJB: 7,500

Broly: 120
~ Plena potencia: 600
~ Ikari: 6.000
~ LSSJ: 30 000
~ LSSJ (pico): 600.000

Gogeta: 12.000
~ SSJ: 30 000
~ PSSJB: 750 000

Moro

Goku: 150
~ SSJ: 375
~ SSJ2: 468,75
~ SSJ3: 937.5
~ SSJG: 3.750
~ PSSJB: 9.375

Vegeta: 150
~ SSJ: 375
~ SSJ2: 1500
~ SSJG: 3.750
~ PSSJB: 9.375
~ SSJBE: 37,500

Moro: 1500
~ Parte de la energía de Namek: 1,650
~ Jóvenes restaurados: 4.500
~ Publicar 3 días: 5,000
~ Restaurado a plena potencia: 6.250
~ Energía absorbida de Namek: 7500

Dai Kaioshin Boo: 6000

2 meses más tarde...

# 18: 15.000
# 17: 18.000
Piccolo: 22.500
Gohan: 25.000

Super Saganbo: 50.000
~ Poder de Moro: 55,000
~ Poder de Moro: 60,500
~ Poder de Moro: 66,550
~ Poder de Moro: 73,205
~ Poder de Moro: 80,525.5

Goku: 500
~ PSSJB: 62,500
~ Signo de interfaz de usuario (suprimido): 250.000
~ Señal de interfaz de usuario (máxima potencia): 312,500
~ Señal de interfaz de usuario (más allá de los límites): 375.000

Moro (absorciones posteriores): 250.000
~ Encendido: 312,500
~ Plena potencia: 500.000

Vegeta: 750
~ PSSJB: 93,750
~ SSJBE: 375.000

Moro (7-3 comido): 505,000

Merus: 781.250
MUI Goku: 781,250
Ángel Moro: 781,250

Granolah

UI Goku: 1,000,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 750.000

Beerus: 1.200.000

I've reverted to Gohan and Kefla > Goku logic so decided to make a new list. I think Kuririn might have expected Goku to have more power than he had shown, or perhaps was referring to Gohan keeping up in the future.

Goku Black

Goku: 100
~ SSJ: 250
~ SSJ2: 312.5
~ SSJ3: 625
~ SSJG: 2,500
~ SSJB: 3,750

Trunks: 120
~ SSJ2 (Suppressed): 320
~ SSJ2 (Full Power): 600

Goku Black: 675
~ Vs Vegeta: 750
~ SSJ: 900

Vegeta: 100
~ SSJ2: 1,000
~ SSJB: 3,750

Zamasu: 450
SSJ Goku Black (Zenkai): 2,250
SSJB Vegeta (Shouki loss): 2,250

SSJ Rosé Goku Black: 3,000

SSJG Vegeta: 2,500
~ SSJB (Bursts): 3,750

Merged Zamasu: 5,000
~ Full Power: 6,000

Vegetto:
~ Post Senzu: 12,500
~ SSJB:

PSSJB Goku: 6,250

Tournament of Power

PSSJB Goku/Vegeta: 6,250

Freeza: 247.5
~ Golden Form: 6,187.5

#17: 6,750

Gohan (Initial): 150
Piccolo: 150

Trio De Danger: 90 - 135

Pride Troopers: <125
Dyspo: 625
Toppo: 6,250

Jiren: 10,000

Hit: 6,400
~ Time Cage: 12,800

Jiren (Powered up): 15,000

Cabba: 100
~ SSJ: 250

Caulifla: 120
~ SSJ: 300

Kale: 500
~ LSSJ: 5,000
~ LSSJ (Peak): 7,500

SSJ Kefla: 15,000
Gohan (Vs Kefla): 15,000

PSSJB Goku (Blue Kaio-Ken): 18,750
Jiren (Powered up): 30,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 25,000

Ultra Instinct Goku (Omen): 250,000
~ Complete: 500,000

Jiren (Serious): 240,000
~ Full Power: 400,000
~ Beyond Limits: 480,000

Quitela: 1,250,000
Beerus: 1,200,000 (800,000 in the past)
Rumoosh: 1,125,000
Mosco: 1,000,000
Champa: 750,000
Iwan: 625,000
Liquiir: 562,500
Heles: 540,000
Sidra: 500,000
Gin: 480,000
Arak: 450,000
Belmond: 375,000

Broly

Goku/Vegeta: 120
~ SSJ: 300
~ SSJG: 3,000
~ PSSJB: 7,500

Broly: 120
~ Full Power: 600
~ Ikari: 6,000
~ LSSJ: 30,000
~ LSSJ (Peak): 600,000

Gogeta: 12,000
~ SSJ: 30,000
~ PSSJB: 750,000

Moro

Goku: 150
~ SSJ: 375
~ SSJ2: 468.75
~ SSJ3: 937.5
~ SSJG: 3,750
~ PSSJB: 9,375

Vegeta: 150
~ SSJ: 375
~ SSJ2: 1,500
~ SSJG: 3,750
~ PSSJB: 9,375
~ SSJBE: 37,500

Moro: 1,500
~ Some of Namek's energy: 1,650
~ Youth Restored: 4,500
~ Post 3 days: 5,000
~ Full Power Restored: 6,250
~ Namek's energy absorbed: 7,500

Dai Kaioshin Boo: 6,000

2 months later...

#18: 15,000
#17: 18,000
Piccolo: 22,500
Gohan: 25,000

Super Saganbo: 50,000
~ Moro's power: 55,000
~ Moro's power: 60,500
~ Moro's power: 66,550
~ Moro's power: 73,205
~ Moro's power: 80,525.5

Goku: 500
~ PSSJB: 62,500
~ UI Sign (Supressed): 250,000
~ UI Sign (Full Power): 312,500
~ UI Sign (Beyond Limits): 375,000

Moro (Post absorptions): 250,000
~ Powered up: 312,500
~ Full power: 500,000

Vegeta: 750
~ PSSJB: 93,750
~ SSJBE: 375,000

Moro (7-3 eaten): 505,000

Merus: 781,250
MUI Goku: 781,250
Angel Moro: 781,250

Granolah

UI Goku: 1,000,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 750,000

Beerus: 1,200,000

I really like your list, I agree with almost everything in general. He would only go up to Moro (OG73I) to overtake Broly LSSJ and he would go up to Beerus, since he seemed to be on the level of Quitela, even though Beerus faced many Hakaishins. It also seems that Beerus is> Granolah (Power Up) = Mega UI Vegeta >> Granolah (FP)> UI Goku (Current)> UI Goku (Moro).

I'd like to see your Arc Granolah numbers.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Granolah arc has been pretty shitty so I have no idea how to do the power levels or even if I will do them.