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Goku 1,000
Vegeta 800
Gohan 600
Piccolo 400
Trunks 250
Goten 240
Android 18 225
Vegeta 800
Gohan 600
Piccolo 400
Trunks 250
Goten 240
Android 18 225
Buu Saga Base Numbers
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No more Base > Piccolo?
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So 18 would have problem in a 150 gravity? I'm not buying that.
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Goku, Vegeta and Gohan have greater powers than Piccolo in this list, no reason as to believe why.
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18 should be right below Piccolo.
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What does this have to do with anything...? If anything, I don't disagree in placing her below Piccolo, because that's how it is. I'm just comparing her to Trunks.
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This is Base my guy.
Certainly. If Trunks is struggling with it, why wouldn't 18? Goten and Trunks should be stronger than 18 by at least a little bit, they are holding their own even in those horrendous conditions they are in.
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Because 18 stomped a Vegeta that had no issue in a gravity 300 times greater? Plus, we don't know how much power 18 was using against the kids, specially when she didn't even go-all out against Vegeta in the beginning.
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Where is it shown that Vegeta had no issues in 300x gravity? Vegeta is seen struggling with a 150x gravity in the beginning of Super.
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In Vegeta's case that's an inconsistency, considering that when he prepared to the android fight, he felt confident in entering a gravity 300 times.
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He was shown doing push-ups in 300x gravity right?
Well it doesn't matter. Trunks is so much stronger than Androids Saga Base Vegeta, the same logic would apply.
Trunks has feats that put him on par or above Android 18, so if Base Kid Trunks struggles with 150x, so should Android 18 barring any special differences.
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Gravity feats aren't consistent across characters. Android Saga Gohan was in the millions yet struggled in 10x gravity. Aside from that, Android 18 called Base Mighty Mask strong so that should be the end of that.
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Base Vegeta (Androids) > SSJ Vegeta (Buu Saga).
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And he re-gained composture not so much afterwards...
Thinking that Trunks is on par or above 18 is judging things by perspective which doesn't differ from Trunks thinking that Vegeta and 18 are fighting evenly.
Also, if the gap was that massive between the SSJ Kids and 18, why would they need to jump in a hurry from 18's Kienzan? Wouldn't it had happened the same that when 18 stopped Trunks's sword, which is a far smaller gap?
Gohan doesn't seem to struggle when he was in a 10x gravity, he just comments that it feels different (which he describes at heavy). Aside from that, he is only shown struggling while trying to transform into a SSJ.
Freeza called Nail's power of 42,000 as a magnificent battle power, what does that tell me?
Chapter: 286 (DBZ 92), P5.1-2
Freeza: "Hoh! This is incredible! Your battle power has risen to 42,000. I see, you truly do seem to be completely different than all the Namekians up to now. I'm surprised... This is magnificent battle power! I can see why you are called a Warrior-type. It's enough to make me want you for an underling."
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Trunks fights equally with 18, your interpretation has to work around that.
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If I'm basing on perspective, yes. If I'm analyzing things objectively, definitely not.
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Base > Piccolo is undeniable. Just compare it to like Super Boo > Kid Boo. People who try to work around it always end up having trouble.
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Nah I think Super Boo > Kid Boo is much more rock solid. Base vs Piccolo is mostly confidence on winning a friendly fight and that weird Babidi stuff.
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I don't know why people make a lot of hoopla about the topic. It's as clear as day. But it seems that people who favor one continuity try to enforce their continuity onto the others. Which is absurd.
The anime without a doubt has Kid Buu as the strongest.
The manga without a doubt has Super Buu stronger than Kid Buu.
With any bit of research this can be clear seen, but you will often seen people who prefer the anime's interpretation try to convince the manga people that the anime is right and the manga people somehow try to enforce the idea that the manga overrides what the anime clearly presents.
Base > Piccolo has been undeniable since forever, but the new material from Super truly put the final nail. RoF Base Gohan > Piccolo definitely proves that the Base Saiyan hype was real all along.
And Base Gotenks > Majin Buu implications in BoG also proves the hype about Base Gotenks was real as well.
It becomes easier if you have Base Goku=Base Vegeta; I think the majin charm affected only his SSJ2 power, giving him full access to the SSJ2 boost.
Likewise, Base Gohan could be equal to his Cell Games self, with his lack of training affecting only his access to his SSJ2 power.
