Cell Saga - Early Boo Saga

[FeatsofPower]

The Saiyans issue is definitely tough. We have the standard 3/4/5 ratio for them, but I wonder if it's a lot more.

I think that Initial Buu vs Fatigued Vegeta is the key to really figuring it out. Also, Vegeta not gaining one inch on Goku over 7 years feels right. We just are anti-bloat and are looking to diminsh gaps wherever we can. Doesn't mean it's actually right though.

 

[Goku9001]

The Adults are grouped together to some capacity and are proper fusion candidates for Goku so there has to be some merit behind minimizing the gaps somewhat.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ultimate Gohan was also a fusion candidate, though this could mean Base Z Sword Gohan isn’t far above Goku.

 

[Goku9001]

Ultimate Gohan was also a fusion candidate, though this could mean Base Z Sword Gohan isn’t far above Goku.

This is what I think. Gohan still needs to consciously power-up like a Super Saiyan to enter his "Ultimate" state so that power likely isn't factored in.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The Adults are grouped together to some capacity and are proper fusion candidates for Goku so there has to be some merit behind minimizing the gaps somewhat.

Sure and they are groped closed together based on the in universe logic, not our arbitrary interpretation of it.

 

[FeatsofPower]

This is what I think. Gohan still needs to consciously power-up like a Super Saiyan to enter his "Ultimate" state so that power likely isn't factored in.

Yeah I think using Post Zeta Base Gohan as the fusion power to base Gokan off of is much better nowadays. It also allows for Vegetto to be stronger in a much more reasonable manner.

 

[Goku9001]

@GreatSaiyaman123

I'm curious. What made you believe 50% MSSJ Goku is significantly stronger than Grade 3 Trunks?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah I think using Post Zeta Base Gohan as the fusion power to base Gokan off of is much better nowadays. It also allows for Vegetto to be stronger in a much more reasonable manner.

For Metamorian sure, but for Potara it’s tricky. Potara Base Kuhan > Gotenks-Boo

@GreatSaiyaman123

I'm curious. What made you believe 50% MSSJ Goku is significantly stronger than Grade 3 Trunks?

The gaps have to be pretty bloated for Base >>> Piccolo to work, and this is the perfect gap to bloat. This is Goku we’re talking about, he’s always the strongest. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. For everybody to freak out like they did, it must be pretty impressive.

Any other gap being bloated brings problems about tanking or blast amps. Here, I don’t think there’s any issues.

 

[FeatsofPower]

For Metamorian sure, but for Potara it’s tricky. Potara Base Kuhan > Gotenks-Boo

It’s the same thing

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It’s the same thing

Metamorian = Potara? How are you viewing fusion these days? Was going to ask on the Gotenks thread, but it’s better here so we don’t dogpill too many topics at once.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Metamorian = Potara? How are you viewing fusion these days? Was going to ask on the Gotenks thread, but it’s better here so we don’t dogpill too many topics at once.

It’s the same and Potara gets a little benefit, probably adds the remaining power or gives a little boost when they aren’t equals.

 

[Yoshi]

Just make Post ROSAT Piccolo weaker than Android #16 as well.

 

[FeatsofPower]

He’s most likely going to have to be

Just make Post ROSAT Piccolo weaker than Android #16 as well.

well below 16

 

[Pyro]

B-b-b-b-but Android 16 is weaksauce. Piccolo can't be that weak.

 

[FeatsofPower]

B-b-b-b-but Android 16 is weaksauce. Piccolo can't be that weak.

How so? Piccolo is piss weak, weaker than RoF Base Gohan who is most likely much weaker than Teen Gohan.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo ~ 16 sounds about right. Gap can’t be as big as we think because of USSJ Goku (Androids Saga) > Semi Cell.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Base > Freeza

 

[FeatsofPower]

Piccolo ~ 16 sounds about right. Gap can’t be as big as we think because of USSJ Goku (Androids Saga) > Semi Cell.

Honestly, I see no reason to make Piccolo all that strong. If he can defeat 3 of his previous self, that should be pretty good. How bloated are we going to make things? The boys should be as close as possible to the adults, no reason to overly empower Piccolo who has no feats at all to suggest he's above 16.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I got the boys at 1/10th of the adults. That's as close as I can do by the gaps we agreed upon.

@Granolah Mystic's power levels list when?

 

[Classic Adamas]

I got the boys at 1/10th of the adults. That's as close as I can do by the gaps we agreed upon.

@Granolah Mystic's power levels list when?

I don't know enough + suck at math + lack of interest+ incredibly stupid