Chi-Chi (23rd Tenkaichi-Budokai) vs Drum

[DBZAOTA482]

Chi-Chi didn't do anything though, she was fast and got some praise from Roshi, but Goku had no issues defending himself. Sure, he was flustered but that was more because she said he should remember her, he wanted to know who she was.

Chi-Chi couldn't follow Goku and Ten's movements, which implies to me that she'd have a hard time following Drum's movements. Ten could barely follow Drum's movements when they fought.

She forced him into the air and still kept up with him while in the air.

Also, her not being able to follow Goku and Tien's movements during their fight doesn't prove at all she would have trouble with Drum. You'd have to be really stupid to think that.

If I now fight Batista, am I strong like him??? She fought him but did nothing... It was gag... He beat her by a wind

...please end your life

 

[Emmeth]

How much could you say Goku was trying? I don't think he was utilizing 1% of his power even.

Tenshinhan makes a big fuss about how Goku hasn't improved his speed. Obviously Goku was using his weighted clothing, but Ten didn't know. There is a gap there and Drum shouldn't be far off.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If I now fight Batista, am I strong like him??? She fought him but did nothing... It was gag... He beat her by a wind

...please end your life

 

[Fantastische Hure]

How much could you say Goku was trying? I don't think he was utilizing 1% of his power even.

Tenshinhan makes a big fuss about how Goku hasn't improved his speed. Obviously Goku was using his weighted clothing, but Ten didn't know. There is a gap there and Drum shouldn't be far off.

bro, Goku when he was fighting Tenshinhan was ~ his speed against Piccolo-Daimao 3 years ago. That's way too different.

As for Goku not even using 1% of his power, well that conjecture, just because you want to nerf, I think. 2 2 2

 

[Emmeth]

How much could you say Goku was trying? I don't think he was utilizing 1% of his power even.

Tenshinhan makes a big fuss about how Goku hasn't improved his speed. Obviously Goku was using his weighted clothing, but Ten didn't know. There is a gap there and Drum shouldn't be far off.

bro, Goku when he was fighting Tenshinhan was ~ his speed against Piccolo-Daimao 3 years ago. That's way too different.

As for Goku not even using 1% of his power, well that conjecture, just because you want to nerf, I think. 2 2 2

I think within a certain range it fits. I don't see Chi-Chi as anything special as she can't follow Goku and Ten's movements.

Sure it's conjecture, but isn't everything? I just think with what powers were shown throughout the tournament, 1% seems accurate.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

How much could you say Goku was trying? I don't think he was utilizing 1% of his power even.

Tenshinhan makes a big fuss about how Goku hasn't improved his speed. Obviously Goku was using his weighted clothing, but Ten didn't know. There is a gap there and Drum shouldn't be far off.

bro, Goku when he was fighting Tenshinhan was ~ his speed against Piccolo-Daimao 3 years ago. That's way too different.

As for Goku not even using 1% of his power, well that conjecture, just because you want to nerf, I think. 2 2 2

I think within a certain range it fits. I don't see Chi-Chi as anything special as she can't follow Goku and Ten's movements.

Sure it's conjecture, but isn't everything? I just think with what powers were shown throughout the tournament, 1% seems accurate.

Tao-Pai-Pai couldn't follow Tenshinhan. 2 2 2

Well, even if Goku only used 1% of his power, I think that doesn't make her weak. Even Kami is way below Goku & Piccolo Jr. in this tournament, so being below that isn't anything bad.

Tenshinhan is probably below 10% of Goku's power. 2 2 2

 

[Emmeth]

bro, Goku when he was fighting Tenshinhan was ~ his speed against Piccolo-Daimao 3 years ago. That's way too different.

As for Goku not even using 1% of his power, well that conjecture, just because you want to nerf, I think. 2 2 2

I think within a certain range it fits. I don't see Chi-Chi as anything special as she can't follow Goku and Ten's movements.

Sure it's conjecture, but isn't everything? I just think with what powers were shown throughout the tournament, 1% seems accurate.

Tao-Pai-Pai couldn't follow Tenshinhan. 2 2 2

Well, even if Goku only used 1% of his power, I think that doesn't make her weak. Even Kami is way below Goku & Piccolo Jr. in this tournament, so being below that isn't anything bad.

Tenshinhan is probably below 10% of Goku's power. 2 2 2

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think within a certain range it fits. I don't see Chi-Chi as anything special as she can't follow Goku and Ten's movements.

Sure it's conjecture, but isn't everything? I just think with what powers were shown throughout the tournament, 1% seems accurate.

Tao-Pai-Pai couldn't follow Tenshinhan. 2 2 2

Well, even if Goku only used 1% of his power, I think that doesn't make her weak. Even Kami is way below Goku & Piccolo Jr. in this tournament, so being below that isn't anything bad.

Tenshinhan is probably below 10% of Goku's power. 2 2 2

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

That's way too close, biro. Kami >>> Mr. Popo, too remember? And Mr. Popo is >>> Piccolo-Daimao.

 

[Emmeth]

Tao-Pai-Pai couldn't follow Tenshinhan. 2 2 2

Well, even if Goku only used 1% of his power, I think that doesn't make her weak. Even Kami is way below Goku & Piccolo Jr. in this tournament, so being below that isn't anything bad.

Tenshinhan is probably below 10% of Goku's power. 2 2 2

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

That's way too close, biro. Kami >>> Mr. Popo, too remember? And Mr. Popo is >>> Piccolo-Daimao.

I don't take spoken statements too literal.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

That's way too close, biro. Kami >>> Mr. Popo, too remember? And Mr. Popo is >>> Piccolo-Daimao.

I don't take spoken statements too literal.

Those aren't only statements, though (Well Kami >>> Mr. Popo is, but it's also been proven some-what).

 

[Emmeth]

That's way too close, biro. Kami >>> Mr. Popo, too remember? And Mr. Popo is >>> Piccolo-Daimao.

I don't take spoken statements too literal.

Those aren't only statements, though (Well Kami >>> Mr. Popo is, but it's also been proven some-what).

That's what I'm talking about. Popo is likely speaking out of respect, and while he might be half-right speaking, I doubt Kami is "many times stronger" than Popo.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

The power Goku used against Chi-Chi is most likely no different he used against King Chappa... who he was FTE to but wasn't to Chi-Chi and King Chappa improved significantly to get revenge against Goku for humiliating him during the 22nd Budokai. Suppressed Weighted Goku still should be way stronger than 22nd Budokai Goku.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't take spoken statements too literal.

Those aren't only statements, though (Well Kami >>> Mr. Popo is, but it's also been proven some-what).

That's what I'm talking about. Popo is likely speaking out of respect, and while he might be half-right speaking, I doubt Kami is "many times stronger" than Popo.

But we do know Kami in Shen is way higher than Tenshinhan.

 

[Papasmurf]

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

That doesn't make any sense in the context of the story unless you limit gaps to follow power levels stated in Z, though.

Ten said Goku hasn't even begun to use his true power and that he must have done training that blows his out of the water after their fight, and we know Goku was already far ahead during their battle with Piccolo Daimao. Then there's Kami stating he was weakened in his human form, yet even his original form was unable to keep up with Piccolo and Goku's speed when they fought seriously, and admitted being far inferior to them. Even after Piccolo was badly wounded from Goku's counterattack and using his explosion that decimated the island, he then stated all the humans were trash to him and that he was going to send them to "join Goku" - with Kami around to help them. Without limiting gaps to fit BOZ power levels like I said, that makes it virtually impossible to have the gap between Tenshinhan and Goku only about 2x.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd say Kami is 75% of Goku and Piccolo tbh and Tenshinhan is 50-60% of him.

That's off-topic though.

That doesn't make any sense in the context of the story unless you limit gaps to follow power levels stated in Z, though.

Ten said Goku hasn't even begun to use his true power and that he must have done training that blows his out of the water after their fight, and we know Goku was already far ahead during their battle with Piccolo Daimao. Then there's Kami stating he was weakened in his human form, yet even his original form was unable to keep up with Piccolo and Goku's speed when they fought seriously, and admitted being far inferior to them. Even after Piccolo was badly wounded from Goku's counterattack and using his explosion that decimated the island, he then stated all the humans were trash to him and that he was going to send them to "join Goku" - with Kami around to help them. Without limiting gaps to fit BOZ power levels like I said, that makes it virtually impossible to have the gap between Tenshinhan and Goku only about 2x.

Also Kami (in Shen) >>> Tenshinhan's expectations of Goku's power. Goku's expected power >>> Goku's power used to troll Tenshinhan.

 

[Papasmurf]

I mean Piccolo says he doesn't care how many ants like Ten and Kuririn join the fight against him because he was in a whole nother level, not even with Kami helping them. This was around where Piccolo began to feel some fatigue as well. Can't possibly limit that gap to ~2x without retroactively applying Z levels.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I mean Piccolo says he doesn't care how many ants like Ten and Kuririn join the fight against him because he was in a whole nother level, not even with Kami helping them. This was around where Piccolo began to feel some fatigue as well. Can't possibly limit that gap to ~2x without retroactively applying Z levels.

Yeah, the gaps at the 23rd Tournament are way too huge, even if you take the 23rd Tournament away, even before it's kind-of hard to fit everything below those numbers at the Beginning of DragonBall Z.

 

[Papasmurf]

True that. The only half-decent excuse I can think of to conveniently disregard all those "many time stronger" quotes in early DB would be that no one had precise numbers back then, and a 24000 to an 18000 is a godstomp that looks multi-fold anyway, so they were speaking metaphorically, or some shit.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True that. The only half-decent excuse I can think of to conveniently disregard all those "many time stronger" quotes in early DB would be that no one had precise numbers back then, and a 24000 to an 18000 is a godstomp that looks multi-fold anyway, so they were speaking metaphorically, or some shit.

That's true, but I'd think characters like Piccolo-Daimao could sense energy, though. Since Piccolo Jr. was straight-away able to tell that Raditz was way too high for him, when he saw him.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah I pulled the argument out of ass, so it has some holes, but to follow Z levels there isn't much alternative than to disregard those power statements as long as you get who's stronger than who right.

Of course, it still doesn't make those Z levels any less ass, since every statement about being multi-fold in Z seems to be true, like Kaioken and Piccolo being stated to power up manyfold after fusing with Nail. Early DB really can't catch a break because of stupid small numbers