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[Six Trails]

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[SSJ2]

The Jiggler
~ full power - 150

Too high. Goku overpowered him from within his mouth. Buyon is just very durable, he has no offensive power by the looks of things.

 

[Six Trails]

Where would you rank him numerically? Also is Buyon what he's called? I was going off Viz.

 

[SSJ2]

95-100.

And yeah, that's what he was called in the anime I think. The Daizenshuu also has that name if I recall correctly.

 

[Six Trails]

Well, that's fixed. I also changed Yajirobe and some of the 22nd Budokai. I'm pretty weak in that area so I wouldn't expect the best numbers there.

What do you think of Goku's power post-Sacred Water? Do you think it must be a 10x increase?

 

[SSJ2]

I think you have Tao Pai Pai too low compared to Goku (second fight). That didn't look like a 1.25x gap to me, more like 1.15x. Tao gave Goku a good amount of trouble still.

 

[SSJ2]

Well, that's fixed. I also changed Yajirobe and some of the 22nd Budokai. I'm pretty weak in that area so I wouldn't expect the best numbers there.

What do you think of Goku's power post-Sacred Water? Do you think it must be a 10x increase?

Must be? No. Although I think that 10x does flow quite nicely considering Old Daimao was only at 40%, and Young Daimao was worlds above even his Old full power.

 

[Six Trails]

I put him at 87.5%. I should've probably re-read the first portion of the series before posting this. I'll probably make a new list altogether.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think you have Tao Pai Pai too low compared to Goku (second fight). That didn't look like a 1.25x gap to me, more like 1.15x. Tao gave Goku a good amount of trouble still.

honestly talking tao got defeated rather easily, i think

he was able to hurt goku, but i think goku let him do that

 

[SSJ2]

I'm really rusty on it as well. I'm currently reading Z in the Freeza arc, and when I'm done, I'll go back to DB. I love having good DB knowledge, as it opens up so many more discussions than the same old Boo arc ones.

 

[SSJ2]

I think you have Tao Pai Pai too low compared to Goku (second fight). That didn't look like a 1.25x gap to me, more like 1.15x. Tao gave Goku a good amount of trouble still.

honestly talking tao got defeated rather easily, i think

he was able to hurt goku, but i think goku let him do that

I dunno about that. They had some good hand to hand combat moments that wouldn't happen with a large gap.

 

[Six Trails]

I deleted it. I'll try to make a new one by the end of this week. Depending on how fast I can go through the manga. I agree it's a lot more interesting to discuss than a lot of Z topics.

How do you guys feel about Yajirobe? Actually close to Goku, or was Goku not going all out against him initially.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think you have Tao Pai Pai too low compared to Goku (second fight). That didn't look like a 1.25x gap to me, more like 1.15x. Tao gave Goku a good amount of trouble still.

honestly talking tao got defeated rather easily, i think

he was able to hurt goku, but i think goku let him do that

I dunno about that. They had some good hand to hand combat moments that wouldn't happen with a large gap.

wot that looked like to me was that goku let tao hit him

he took his attacks & then figured-out his movements

u could still hurt some1 maybe at even a 1.2x gap, if they don't do anything or like 84 or 85%

considering zarbon & dodoria could apparently defeat vegeta

 

[SSJ2]

I deleted it. I'll try to make a new one by the end of this week. Depending on how fast I can go through the manga. I agree it's a lot more interesting to discuss than a lot of Z topics.

How do you guys feel about Yajirobe? Actually close to Goku, or was Goku not going all out against him initially.

Close but not that close. Goku mentioned his resilience, while Yajirobe mentioned Goku's power on two occasions. He even said that he should avoid Goku in combat, indicating a large gap.

honestly talking tao got defeated rather easily, i think

he was able to hurt goku, but i think goku let him do that

I dunno about that. They had some good hand to hand combat moments that wouldn't happen with a large gap.

wot that looked like to me was that goku let tao hit him

he took his attacks & then figured-out his movements

u could still hurt some1 maybe at even a 1.2x gap, if they don't do anything or like 84 or 85%

considering zarbon & dodoria could apparently defeat vegeta

They could defeat Vegeta together.. not alone. It's not as though Goku was just standing there with no defense, he was still trying to defend himself.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I dunno about that. They had some good hand to hand combat moments that wouldn't happen with a large gap.

wot that looked like to me was that goku let tao hit him

he took his attacks & then figured-out his movements

u could still hurt some1 maybe at even a 1.2x gap, if they don't do anything or like 84 or 85%

considering zarbon & dodoria could apparently defeat vegeta

They could defeat Vegeta together.. not alone. It's not as though Goku was just standing there with no defense, he was still trying to defend himself.

was he, tho??? i can't exactly remember, but i thought he didn't & jst let tao hit him

once he goes for his final counter-attack for example it seemed to me like he dodged tao's hit easily (at the beginning)

 

[SSJ2]

Let me reread it. I'll be right back.

 

[SSJ2]

You were right in the fact that Goku was letting Tao Pai Pai hit him, but that was only near the end of the fight. Tao Pai Pai said that he would get serious twice, and after the second time he got 'really serious', he still landed a fair amount of blows on Goku. Also, after Goku did allow Tao to hit him, he still complimented his strength. I still see a mid sized gap, although maybe I'd raise it to 1.17x.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You were right in the fact that Goku was letting Tao Pai Pai hit him, but that was only near the end of the fight. Tao Pai Pai said that he would get serious twice, and after the second time he got 'really serious', he still landed a fair amount of blows on Goku. Also, after Goku did allow Tao to hit him, he still complimented his strength. I still see a mid sized gap, although maybe I'd raise it to 1.17x.

ye that's more like i mean

even-tho not exactly like i mean :$ :$ :$

 

[SSJ2]

I just don't see a guy who is 80% of another fighter being able to land any blows in a fight, no matter what. To me that is two shot range.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I just don't see a guy who is 80% of another fighter being able to land any blows in a fight, no matter what. To me that is two shot range.

goku did kind-of let him

but also goku after his final counter-attack, tao knw he wasn't going to win, so he acted as if he gave-up