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:nickyoung
I guess the creator of Broly and producers are biased retards or trolls then
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... ao-koyama/
Why did Broli come back three times?
Because he’s the strongest. (laughs) Even including the TV anime, nobody exists in the world who’s stronger than Broli. I mean, even Vegeta, Prince of the Saiyans, was trembling in fear. (laughs) I felt that there’s no way that kind of mightiest being would die in a single outing. After all, there were kids who cried at Broli’s overwhelming strength when they saw Burn Up!! at Shueisha’s preview screening. (laughs) It’s always difficult coming up with an enemy for Goku, because I’d constantly have to escalate their strength. So, he ended up appearing three times.
This is true of Broli as well, but Goku & co. are always fighting against “an unbeatable foe”. Goku must win against such an enemy, so he has no choice but to defeat him when his enemy becomes overconfident and creates an opening. There’s absolutely no way he’d be able to win against someone like Broli if he used more orthodox methods.7 (laughs)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/07/07/ta ... e-of-gods/
In handling the scripts for the films, what I always worried about each time was the problem of what to do about the opponent Goku fights against. That’s because, at the very least, they had to be stronger than [the ones from] the previous movie.
After much hard work, I was unable to come up with an opponent stronger than Broli, and fell into a rut where I made him appear three times.
That is to say, there’s the matter of questioning the idea of Broli as the strongest. As you are well aware, vehement opinions on the subject have been flying back and forth on this message board, as well as a variety of [other] websites.
Why did M10 happen, because no one before hand was stronger then M8 Broly, why then M11 happen, because no one was stronger then M10 Broly, hence why he made him appeared 3 times.
Hell, Broly, the strongest again from another person
The interview is in french, but I tried to translate some parts.
https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/ac ... vDWxYQdSrT
https://twitter.com/Shushuttoo/status/1 ... 3706724352
"In France and in the world, we recognize you for the 8th DBZ movie, the one that revolve around the mythical Broly. How did you had the idea for this change, the movie going in other directions than usual ?
Shigeyasu Yamauchi : When I had to work on the Broly movie, I realized that he lacked something, although he is the most powerful Saiyan. It's this solitude of the powerful warrior that I wanted to retranscribe. He can destroy galaxies but is alone compared to Goku, whom he despises but has a family, just like Vegeta. When he loses at the end, he realizes that strength is not just physical, he would have been able to unlock another kind of power if he had something to protect for example."
Why did Broli come back three times?
Because he’s the strongest. (laughs) Even including the TV anime, nobody exists in the world who’s stronger than Broli. I mean, even Vegeta, Prince of the Saiyans, was trembling in fear. (laughs) I felt that there’s no way that kind of mightiest being would die in a single outing. After all, there were kids who cried at Broli’s overwhelming strength when they saw Burn Up!! at Shueisha’s preview screening. (laughs) It’s always difficult coming up with an enemy for Goku, because I’d constantly have to escalate their strength. So, he ended up appearing three times.
This is true of Broli as well, but Goku & co. are always fighting against “an unbeatable foe”. Goku must win against such an enemy, so he has no choice but to defeat him when his enemy becomes overconfident and creates an opening. There’s absolutely no way he’d be able to win against someone like Broli if he used more orthodox methods.7 (laughs)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/07/07/ta ... e-of-gods/
In handling the scripts for the films, what I always worried about each time was the problem of what to do about the opponent Goku fights against. That’s because, at the very least, they had to be stronger than [the ones from] the previous movie.
After much hard work, I was unable to come up with an opponent stronger than Broli, and fell into a rut where I made him appear three times.
That is to say, there’s the matter of questioning the idea of Broli as the strongest. As you are well aware, vehement opinions on the subject have been flying back and forth on this message board, as well as a variety of [other] websites.
Why did M10 happen, because no one before hand was stronger then M8 Broly, why then M11 happen, because no one was stronger then M10 Broly, hence why he made him appeared 3 times.
Hell, Broly, the strongest again from another person
The interview is in french, but I tried to translate some parts.
https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/ac ... vDWxYQdSrT
https://twitter.com/Shushuttoo/status/1 ... 3706724352
"In France and in the world, we recognize you for the 8th DBZ movie, the one that revolve around the mythical Broly. How did you had the idea for this change, the movie going in other directions than usual ?
Shigeyasu Yamauchi : When I had to work on the Broly movie, I realized that he lacked something, although he is the most powerful Saiyan. It's this solitude of the powerful warrior that I wanted to retranscribe. He can destroy galaxies but is alone compared to Goku, whom he despises but has a family, just like Vegeta. When he loses at the end, he realizes that strength is not just physical, he would have been able to unlock another kind of power if he had something to protect for example."
Downplaying the Z fighters, this basically proves Broly M8 > Cell since you don't have the confidence to compare feats and rather downplay who Broly fought against so you can try to ignore the overall feats.
Flawed logic, Goku can be 1% and his designs would be the same, thus whatever percentage he was wouldn't change at all. Nor did the movie follow that chain of logic when Gohan and Goku weren't even in the SSJ forms to begin with, meaning they didn't stick to that idea from the get go. Another huge flaw with this is trying to equate movie release date in the anime to the level of power that is shown as an excuse to pretend like the animators and producers had no idea of their level of power, despite the anime goes by the manga and the manga was all the way up to Cell blowing himself up.
That movie time chart from the diazenshuu forums also says the Cooler movie was Cell games, and also it isn't official or anything since it's fan-made lol Thus it's worthless
Incorrect, even the movie trailer shows Gohan and Goku in their cloths out of the time chamber and Goku standing in the ring so it's taking place just before the Cell games, where the Perfect Cell arc ended long before that.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t8HYERbS9k[/youtube]
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But you are applying it to the anime of the main series, which follows the main source of canon the manga, thus movie 8 has no relation to what happen in the anime. So you legit don't make sense here and picking 1 side after another side.
Don't really care much about the other arcs, this is about Broly
Love to know this WE business you got going, cause so far, nothing indicates from either the release date or movie trailer that it takes place in the perfect cell arc, so how you came with the conclusion of how it does is a mystery within itself.
Am I reading this right ? You think the movie is in perfect Cell arc because of Foot steps? you also think Broly transformation is based on Cell ? And Broly green hair is based on Cell, and Vegeta blast Cell like he did to Broly ?
So any time Vegeta kicks someone in the neck, or blast them, or has the same sound effects or hair green hair, they are copying Cell and are only Cell level from the Perfect Cell saga
Vegeta and Trunks designs haven't change at all actually, in movie 9, they used the same concept design of movie 8.
This legit makes no sense, you say Vegeta and Trunks are ASSJ yet when the Cell games was about the happen they had finish training in the HBTC for the 2nd time. Based on movie released date within the anime, it was before Cell games, not when Gohan and Goku just got out of the time chamber, because when Gohan and Goku got out of the time chamber, Trunks hair was short, where in the Broly movie, his hair was long. And Goku and Gohan being MSSJ proves as well it's not the perfect Cell arc as they were never MSSJ at that point.
So no, far from a fact
Yet they need the manga to make the anime to begin with -.- this point once again makes no sense since you ignoring 1 and accepting another. Movies are made months before their release dates, they aren't made on the spot for starters, thus months previously, they wouldn't have made all that stuff happened in Movie 1 and 2, because they would require to change the plot and the whole movie in general. Plus this isn't an indication of power as movies and time placements have different standings itself.
More lies
Broly Movie 8: March 6, 1993
DRAGON BALL CHAPTER 394
セルゲーム始まる
Seru Geimu Hajimaru
The Cell Games Begin
13 October 1992
Weekly Shōnen Jump 1992 #45
DRAGON BALL CHAPTER 398
孫悟空フルパワー
Son Gokū Furu Pawā
Son Goku at Full Power
10 November 1992
Weekly Shōnen Jump 1992 #49
DRAGON BALL CHAPTER 407
セルジュニアの地獄
Seru Junia no Jigoku
The Hell of the Cell Juniors
26 January 1993
Weekly Shōnen Jump 1993 #08
DRAGON BALL CHAPTER 408
孫悟飯爆発！！
Son Gohan Bakuhatsu!!
Son Gohan Explodes!!
02 February 1993
Weekly Shōnen Jump 1993 #09
DRAGON BALL CHAPTER 412
セルゲームの結末
Seru Geimu no Ketsumatsu
The End of the Cell Games
02 March 1993
Weekly Shōnen Jump 1993 #13
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/tankobon/vol-35/
No, when the Broly movie was released, they were up to Cell blowing himself up, meaning everyone showed their full power.
Trunks didn't go grade 3 because he went in the HBTC for the 2nd time, hence why it's just before the Cell games started lol, Trunks hair was even long in the movie, where in the anime and manga before Gohan and Goku got out, it was short. Plus a lot of movies don't mention the canon villains, so nothing special their.
When Goku and Gohan got out the time chamber, Piccolo went in, then Vegeta for the 2nd time, then Trunks for the 2nd time.
Trunks short hair when Goku and Gohan got out of the time chamber
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGsUN4do5mE[/youtube]
Trunks hair long in Cell games
Movie 8 Trunks
How Strong Are Vegeta and Trunks
This is not much debatable but I would say it... It's a fact movie 8 Vegeta and Trunks are 1st RoSaT and based on their Perfect Cell Arc selves.... Vegeta's fight vs Broli when he kicks his neck and blasts him is based on his fight vs Cell because they are the same level... They are ASSjins as shown in the design when in the Cell Games they are SSjins
[spoilers][/spoiler]
The written words in the design say "Super Vegeta" which is what he calls himself when he fought Cell.. Furthermore, his design his copied from his fight with Cell as he was 1st RoSaT
Compare the Vegeta in the right side to the Vegeta in this panel below
Compare Vegeta from the left of the concept to Vegeta in that panel
Compare Vegeta from the middle of the concept art to Vegeta in the last panel of the Manga
They also used the same designs for movie 9 Vegeta and Trunks
Trunks Movie 8
Movie 8 and Movie 9 Trunks designs in SSJ
Movie 8 Trunks design in base
Movie 9 Trunks
Movie 8 and Movie 9 Trunks designs in SSJ
Movie 8 Trunks design in base
Movie 9 Trunks
Every movie provide new designs for characters, yet they stuck with the same designs as Movie 8 for Movie 9 for both Trunks and Vegeta.
Trunks is the OVA which happened after movie 8 has short hair here meaning he is not his 2nd RoSaT even in the OVA
Nonsense, considering the movie took place after the Cell games as the satan city sign appeared. And satan city only happened when Hercule defeated Cell
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Satan_City
So the movie took place after
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball:_Plan_to_Eradicate_the_Saiyans
Full story their, videos all over youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpDawJUX6I
Hatchiyack movie and satan city sign, not looking good for you Pakl
Vegeta actually did the worst, he got one-shot, but that doesn't even matter since I went over this point already regardless on top.
Movie 8 Goku And Gohan
Movie 8 Gohan design
It's copied from
You can see Gohan was taken from his 10 days state after he initialy existed the RoSaT
There is even one image copied from the RoSaT when they were about to finish their training!!
Now M8 Gohan is also identicl to his resting state...
Movie 8 Gohan
10 days resting Gohan
This is Cell Games Gohan
You can see that both movie 8 Gohan and resting Gohan are identical and Cell Games Gohan is clearly different.. His eyes are not round and he has a huge flare aura...
Movie 9 Gohan is identical to his Cell Games self though because movie 9 is Cell Games...
Now the most complicated part that some don't understand...
Animation difference for starters is a complete no go, since DBZ had horrible animations in the past and was all over the place, second his eyes are the same, you just cherry picked a moment when his serious to when he is non-serious. Plus flaring eyes etc doesn't indicate a FPSSJ or MSSJ, that's just animation effects.
Also, they used the same designs for Goku in Buu saga
Goku designs M8
So by your logic, Goku non-serious eyes and all that rubbish = he is only 50% holding back warm up Goku -.- your logic, not mine.
We know movie 8 was revealed before the Cell Games in the Anime and before Goku showed his full power vs Cell so he can't be his Cell Games selves... Let's see his design for movie 8
Now let's see where did TOEI copy him from
We can see two images were copied from his initial Post RoSaT selves and from his warming up state.. Remember Goku after existing the RoSaT until the his warm up vs Cell had the same power.. We can call it his natural MSSjin state... Now why did TOEI propousely copied Goku in his natural MSSjin state even when he warmed up vs Cell and not Goku's FPSSjin? Note the two images from the ring is Goku in his natural MSSjin before he powered up so no it's not Cell Games Goku's true power...
Going by that, TOEI not only copied resting natural MSSjin Goku straight from the series but Goku is identical to his natural resting MSSjin in movie 8
[/spoiler]
Natural MSSjin Goku in the 10 days for the Cell Games
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Furthermore, the trailer and preview for the movie also protrays Goku and Gohan in their resting states
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watchv=JXSB66kGd4o[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watchv=9aukNYOXzzE[/youtube]
Notice Trunks's statement about Goku's eyes changing.. That's right... FPSSJin has serious eyes and an aura most of the fight... He doesnt have round eyes... You can see Goku after powering up.... However M8 Goku and Gohan are identical to their natural MSSjin when they rested in the 10 days and they also don't have aura most of the fight like FPSSjins have in the Cell Games but in M9 Gohan and the rest are like their Cell Games selves
Because MSSJ and FPSSJ are the same -.- and have the same designs and nothing changes when Goku is 50% or 100%
Hell let's use your logic more
News designs for SSJ Goku in the Broly movie
I don't see any shine or anything, is he based on 50% MSSJ Goku as well -.- you are picking silly little difference that even the animator ignored after
Goku before dying
Goku vs Cell and Pikkon
This is why this is stupid logic, apparently Goku went 100% once because of that silly little shine and never went again because he lost it smh.
Repeated points as above, just repeating yourself, already address above.
Based on your own conclusions which is entirely false as shown before, 50% and only SSJg3 is not happening nor did it ever happen.
So let's ignore what they actually shown and let's go by your fan-made theories that based on animation inconsistencies and fan-made interpretation on the Broly movie while ignoring words from the actual producers and writers itself
Same repeated point as above
LMFAO wot ?
:nickyoung
The producer basically said that new movie villains are MEANT to be stronger yet that wasn't the case with Broly as they couldn't find anyone stronger thus making him appear 3 times. Use that brain a bit, if Cell was stronger than M8 Broly or if Bojack was stronger than M8 Broly, Movie 10 wouldn't exist, because they found someone stronger than Broly lol.
You also forgot Broly in his RSSJ powered up before going LSSJ, you also forgot that in Movie 10, SSJ to LSSJ > SSJ to SSj2. Meaning Cell is still weaker even if you nerf Broly :umad
What ? If Broly before going LSSJ does the same power up as Goku, when before the power up he was already stronger than 50% Goku, than means Broly in his SSJ form is stronger than MSSJ 100% Goku.
http://www.daizex.com/misc_stuff/broli_trunks_fac.jpg
It says LSSjin is based on SSjinG 3 but his speed is ultra and its a stronger form than SSjinG 3... Now, Cell Games FPSSjin Goku is said in this guidebook to be SSjin Grade 4 because it was before official names were given..... Broli being a stronger form of SSSjinG 3 is another evidence he is Cell Games FPSSjin tier
Didn't you say Broly form was based on Cell ? Now it's based on Trunks, clearly you can't make up your mind. And wot smh amazing how you find stuff and pretend like it relates to your point when it has nothing to do with it. Broly designs, not power, designs are related to Grade 3, his power is not however and that was made clear.
Overall, what a waste of time this was.
[mention]Pakl[/mention]
