Did #18 use full power against the base boys?

[kriss-]

If you're going to try to be a jack-ass, please shut your fucking mouth prick.

Why do you need to be reminded how not to talk to people every other day? You can't even complain because you've even asked people "U mad?" in a condescending tone before as well.

He instigated the issue with his 'Umad' comment. Other-wise I'd have said nothing.

In BoG, Freeza is above Base Goku. In RoF, Base Gohan is above Piccolo. So Base Gohan>Piccolo>Freeza>BoG Base Goku. No issue.

Battle of Gods is intended as a direct continuation of the Manga's serialization so it reflects the events that occurred within the Manga as well.

Nothing is stated about RoF or Db Super reflecting that. These two shows do not follow the same continuity as Battle of Gods or the Manga.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This depends if the Androids can power up or suppress their power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Saylé is a joke. he makes fun of other ppl's grammar

yet he can't even spell the easiest of words right.

ppl still mock that idiot to this day abt his stupe spelling

 

[kriss-]

@Saylé is a joke. he makes fun of other ppl's grammar

yet he can't even spell the easiest of words, right.

ppl still mock that idiot to this day abt his stupe spelling

Oh look, the most pathetic fuck on this forum has returned.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Saylé is a joke. he makes fun of other ppl's grammar

yet he can't even spell the easiest of words, right.

ppl still mock that idiot to this day abt his stupe spelling

Oh look, the most pathetic fuck on this forum has returned.

so desparate

 

[kriss-]

@Saylé is a joke. he makes fun of other ppl's grammar

yet he can't even spell the easiest of words, right.

ppl still mock that idiot to this day abt his stupe spelling

Oh look, the most pathetic fuck on this forum has returned.

so desparate

Yes, I'm so very desperate.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Oh look, the most pathetic fuck on this forum has returned.

so desparate

Yes, I'm so very desperate.

ye, but i don't feel sry for u :elmo :elmo :elmo

 

[Southern Gothic]

Let's get this back on topic please.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It's pretty clear that #18 was holding her effort here.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's true. However, I'm not going to ignore Super. It's the current story taking place, so I'm not going to nitpick little details of canon in a pointless disagreement.

 

[Animelover5487]

Probably not all of it, but close. 18 was exerting more effort against them than against Vegeta and I have Vegeta 70-75% of 18 so 18 had to be using at least 85% of her power then if we factor the costume as a restriction on the boys power than we have them back to square one as being downright equals.

 

[ahill1]

It's pretty clear that #18 was holding her effort here.

Yeah, while I don't think #18 can purposely hold back in power, she can do it in effort, like when future #17 could fight Gohan using less than half of his power.

I think #18 fought at least fairly close to her full strength though, since Trunks wasn't entirely off with his calculations. He would most likely go for a blast stronger than #18 (but not too strong, since he had no intentions of killing her) based on the level of strength she displayed, and it ended up right around her level.

 

[kriss-]

Android 18 was battle worn from Vegeta whereas with the boys, she was completely nonchalant during the entire battle. There is a very important reason why Akira Toriyama himself wrote the dialogue for Battle of Gods and said:

a) Base Saiyans are inferior to Freeza.
b) It is intended as a continuation of the Manga's serialization.

Therefore; it's impossible and illogical for someone to argue Well she exerted more effort against the boys than Vegeta blah blah blah. Are we reading the same Manga? Are we both listening to what the author says? Or is one of us acknowledging what he says and is the other completely disregarding it?

 

[ahill1]

When was #18 battle worn against Vegeta? She was completely nochalant against Vegeta too, calling him nothing special and saying he pretended to be weak against her.

Like I said, I think #18 wasn't using full power against the base boys as well, but She was fairly close to her full power, like 75% or so.

I have the base boys roughly as equals as the Androids arc Super Saiyans.

 

[kriss-]

Her clothes were frizzled, she was hit and sent flying, but nothing like that happened with the boys. Probably because 'Base Saiyans < Organic Freeza', is a fact.

Secondly, you are pulling that 75% figure out of your ass. I'm not going to waste my time replying to you if that is the type of arguments that you are going to construct.

It goes against what Akira Toriyama has told us.

Based on the merits of his statements, it's a logical fallacy to think she using anything close to her full power. Estimating based on fuckin' nothing, holds no precedence here.

 

[Uchiha]

AT didn't say that in BoG either since he explicitly made Goku suppressed.

1. Manga has Base Saiyans > Freeza
2. The author doesn't have a hold on past events. Lording his authority over and over won't change the reality
3. While he does have some authority, it gets less due the fact that he's senile. His word isn't that important anymore
4. If you're counting BoG as canon (while it's most likely not due to senility), then the movie has Goku as explicitly suppressed when Beerus made the statement. The only reason why it's accepted for Super is because the entire power scaling constantly DB (real series) so you might as well accept it as a separate series with its own wacky power scaling.

 

[ahill1]

Her clothes were frizzled, she was hit and sent flying, but nothing like that happened with the boys. Probably because 'Base Saiyans < Organic Freeza', is a fact.

Except the boys were fighting in a costume that was really a pain in the ass, so much so that'd make hard winning as SSJ, as stated by Trunks. It's not a fact. Again, in the same movie it was implied Goku > Gotenks and Gohan, despite the opposite being clearly shown in the manga. And again, it was implied base Gohan > Piccolo in DBS... Gonna say Super isn't canon now?

you are pulling that 75% figure out of your ass.

I'm not and I already explained why I see that way. Read what I wrote to Fearless.

It goes against what Akira Toriyama has told us.

Like base Gohan > Piccolo?

Based on the merits of his statements, it's a logical fallacy to think she using anything close to her full power.

Except it's not... again, read what I wrote in this same page.

 

[kriss-]

AT didn't say that in BoG either since he explicitly made Goku suppressed.

1. Manga has Base Saiyans > Freeza
2. The author doesn't have a hold on past events. Lording his authority over and over won't change the reality
3. While he does have some authority, it gets less due the fact that he's senile. His word isn't that important anymore
4. If you're counting BoG as canon (while it's most likely not due to senility), then the movie has Goku as explicitly suppressed when Beerus made the statement. The only reason why it's accepted for Super is because the entire power scaling constantly DB (real series) so you might as well accept it as a separate series with its own wacky power scaling.

It was a blatant statement in three separate pieces of information. According to you, it's a false pretense, but it is never confirmed to be, so you're wrong. Oh and Goku did not retract his statement, making you even more wrong.

It doesn't work that way m8. When he states something in material that is intended to take place within the universe he constructed within the Manga, it's a fact. It does not work any other way and it never will.

 

[Uchiha]

It was a blatant statement in three separate pieces of information.

What's the 2nd and 3rd? The only one I know of in BoG was referring to a blatant suppressed Goku.

According to you, it's a false pretense, but it is never confirmed to be, so you're wrong

According to you it's a true pretense, but it's never confirmed to be, so you're wrong

It doesn't work that way m8. When he states something in material that is intended to take place within the universe he constructed within the Manga, it's a fact. It does not work any other way and it never will.

You made up a rule and wanting it to be true very badly won't make it so. There's no source or basis for it. There's basis for him being a special authority, but in my book and most people his senility makes him lose that right.

 

[kriss-]

It was a blatant statement in three separate pieces of information.

What's the 2nd and 3rd? The only one I know of in BoG was referring to a blatant suppressed Goku.
The Manga, Db Super and Movie.

According to you, it's a false pretense, but it is never confirmed to be, so you're wrong

According to you it's a true pretense, but it's never confirmed to be, so you're wrong
Goku is never implied to be suppressed. Nothing implies he was and nobody retracts Beerus's statement.

Akira Toriyama wrote it himself.

Two other sources said the exact same thing.

You're wrong, that's as simple as it gets.

It doesn't work that way m8. When he states something in material that is intended to take place within the universe he constructed within the Manga, it's a fact. It does not work any other way and it never will.

You made up a rule and wanting it to be true very badly won't make it so. There's no source or basis for it. There's basis for him being a special authority, but in my book and most people his senility makes him lose that right.

You do not have the authority to say that Akira Toriyama cannot add things to his Manga. Nothing with Organic Freeza being stronger than Base Saiyans contradicts anything in the Manga. If you took this argument to Daizenshuu, you'd get rick-rolled.

But if you actually think you can say that he does not have any authority over the Manga, than don't bother responding to me, because it's a hopeless case at this point.