Do you think Burta/Burter was as fast as Ginyu?

[Warmmedown]

If Cell had Burta's cells would the Z fighters be utterly defeated? Piccolo wouldn't be able to hold up Imperfect Cell, Vegeta would arrive too late, 16 might hold off Cell, but either way Cell becomes Perfect again and nobody can catch him. Then he flies backwards around Earth and kills them all again.

 

[Hector]

Maybe Butta meant something else when he said he's the fastest in the universe.

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[Dagon]

Captain Ginyu is implied to be faster because he is surprised Goku is faster than him, which he shouldn't be if Burter was faster than him.

 

[Yoshi]

Buhteh was most likely the fastest being in the universe for his power level.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Butta has the fastest travel/movement speed... or at least he used to. His reaction/combat speed is obviously far below Ginyu and Freeza's.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Butta has the fastest travel/movement speed... or at least he used to. His reaction/combat speed is obviously far below Ginyu and Freeza's.

There is no difference between "travel" and "combat" speed

 

[Mystic b4 He Got Laid]

Burter is the fastest fighter other than those with higher power levels than him. TFS did a proper takedown of him.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Burter is the fastest character in the universe, hands down.

 

[Dagon]

There is no difference between "travel" and "combat" speed

Yes there is. They have shown dodge speed far higher than the speed they use for long distance travel.

Goku and Piccolo can react to each other's ki blasts when they are near 400 power level. Piccolo's blast at this level could reach the moon and destroy it in mere seconds. That's relativistic dodge speed.

Goku takes more than a day to return from King Kai's planet across snake way. If he was merely light speed he could do it in seconds. If Goku were traveling at 1% light speed he'd be home in about 6 minutes.

Golu is flying across Snake Way far slower than the speed he uses to dodge ki blasts that can reach the moon in seconds, and this is after he gets 20x more powerful.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Yes there is. They have shown dodge speed far higher than the speed they use for long distance travel.

No need to head canon fammy fam

 

[ahill1]

No, Ginyu could keep up with Goku's speed, Burta could not.

 

[Dagon]

@ScottyFamalam If there's no difference between any speed a character has then why do we see different max speeds for different situations like I described before?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Looking at Burter specifically, it could be the case that this slogan was rooted in truth -- as far as he knew -- in the distant past, then morphed into purely an internal gimmick as undoubtedly higher level beings (Ginyu, Frieza) came about.

 

[ahill1]

Looking at Burter specifically, it could be the case that this slogan was rooted in truth -- as far as he knew -- in the distant past, then morphed into purely an internal gimmick as undoubtedly higher level beings (Ginyu, Frieza) came about.

It's kinda curious though that Ginyu himself said that throwing the Dragon Ball away would be useless as Burter could pick it up as he's the fastest in the universe. I know that in the end it doesn't hold up, but it's kinda funny when Burta's power level should be ~ 40,000 and his speed couldn't even match up to suppressed Goku using ~ 60,000

 

[Spiral-Force]

Yeah, it can be remedied in a number of ways, but that statement is so point blank that -- even so -- it's questionable enough to discuss I suppose. Putting Ginyu and Goku aside, what precedent does that set for the final boss when his speed won't be anything to marvel at

 

[Cell-Max]

No, because he had a lower power level. It's explicitly stated in the early arcs that power level equates to other attributes. He would be faster than Recoome and Jeice who share the same power level.

 

[Future Warrior]

I think Toriyama just wanted to add some unique gimicks among the Ginyu Squad, even if they don't quite hold up in legitimacy.

 

[Warmmedown]

No, because he had a lower power level. It's explicitly stated in the early arcs that power level equates to other attributes. He would be faster than Recoome and Jeice who share the same power level.

The bold part means there are special cases where speed exceeds PL and Burter's such a case. In which case, I wonder by how much he exceeds the speed expected at his PL. Like is his speed typical of a 20% higher PL? 10%? 50%?

 

[Cell-Max]

The bold part means there are special cases where speed exceeds PL and Burter's such a case. In which case, I wonder by how much he exceeds the speed expected at his PL. Like is his speed typical of a 20% higher PL? 10%? 50%?

Hard to say man. I'd say he'd have a 10 percent edge as in the earlier arcs the gaps in power and other attributes were closer than in later arcs. He might have only had a 5-7 percent edge but that's enough to be a lot quicker than someone with the same powerlevel.

 

[Warmmedown]

Proof Ginyu was slow for his PL and Burter may be faster than Ginyu (chapter 284 of DB, pg 11):

Goku isn't using kaioken yet, and Ginyu believes him to be around 60K.


2 pages later (ch284, pg13) Goku confirms he hasn't been using kaioken


So Ginyu's top speed is only comparable in speed to 60K Goku, despite Ginyu's max PL being 120K. Ginyu has speed typical of someone with a PL 50% of his, so maybe he is slower than Burter. Or it's the other way, and both Goku and Burter have double the expected speed, which seems unlikely in Goku's case, since there's no other point in the series where this is indicated.