Dr. Gero (pre Absorptions) vs Goku SSJ (Namek)

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[Future Warrior]

Gero probably 2-shots him in my opinion

 

[Flame]

Pre-Absorption? Kakarot takes this with ease.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gero manhandles him without much difficulty.

 

[ahill1]

I also think Gero would win without problems.

@Captain Cadaver - what are your reasons? @Raptorex and @SSbardock84, I'd also appreciate to see your reasons.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

- The way Piccolo emphasises on his training making him stronger than he realised over the Artificial Humans being underwhelming seems to assert that the ease he found against #20 was due to his training, not overestimating #19 and #20.
- By the numbers, it'd be hard to see #19 draining Vegeta to a level where he could still stomp #19, yet lose to #20, if their base powers weren't at least above SSJ Namek Goku. Moreso, it'd be even harder to see someone of such a level hypothetically rise to a level above SSJ Vegeta at this time just by absorbing the energy of 4 people below Base Vegeta + a single Ki blast from SSJ Vegeta.

 

[Future Warrior]

Simple. 20 is stronger than 19. 19 was capable of detecting Sick SS Goku's movements who was in fact more powerful than he was 3 years ago, which in my mind have 19 at least around SS Trunks (Mecha Arc) tier. 20 is even more powerful than 19. He was even given the possibility that he was one of the androids.

 

[ahill1]

The way Piccolo emphasises on his training making him stronger than he realised over the Artificial Humans being underwhelming seems to assert that the ease he found against #20 was due to his training, not overestimating #19 and #20.

Well he still brought up two possibilities:

---We just grew too strong
---You aren't as strong as we thought

I think both are corrects to a certain extent. You also have to remember Piccolo was talking about #20 post and #19 post wasn't considered as that impressive by Vegeta.

- By the numbers, it'd be hard to see #19 draining Vegeta to a level where he could still stomp #19, yet lose to #20, if their base powers weren't at least above SSJ Namek Goku

So you think

#20 (pre) > drained SSJ Vegeta > #19 (post Vegeta) > #19 (post Goku)??

Moreso, it'd be even harder to see someone of such a level hypothetically rise to a level above SSJ Vegeta at this time just by absorbing the energy of 4 people below Base Vegeta + a single Ki blast from SSJ Vegeta.

Well I'd say Gero was arguably wrong with his calculations, since he also said absorbing twice Piccolo's suppressed power would put him above SSJ Vegeta, yet we have implication from Gero himself that base Vegeta > suppressed Piccolo. What do you think?

 

[ahill1]

20 is stronger than 19.

#20 (pre) > #19 (post)?

He was even given the possibility that he was one of the androids.

That was Gero after absorbing that Chi blast from Vegeta and suppressed Piccolo's power.

 

[Future Warrior]

20 is stronger than 19.

#20 (pre) > #19 (post)?

He was even given the possibility that he was one of the androids.

That was Gero after absorbing that Chi blast from Vegeta and suppressed Piccolo's power.

Around the same.

I dont have 20 gaining a significant boost after the absorption

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, Piccolo even said what he absorbed from him was worth jack shit. I don't think a shitty blast Vegeta was using to level a small area was all that powerful either.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, Piccolo even said what he absorbed from him was worth jack shit.

Piccolo could mean it was jack shit compared to his full power though.

 

[Flame]

@ahill1 Because of Piccolo's major advantage power of Gero. I don't think that Piccolo surpassed any version of a Super Saiyan until he fused with Kami.

 

[Goku9001]

Piccolo contemplated if Android 20 actually did conform to the rumors that Trunks presented, so Dr. Gero was arguably above Trunks (Mecha) and Yardrat Goku which would place him above SSJ Goku.

 

[Goku9001]

#20 (pre) > #19 (post)?

Vegeta urgently reacted to Android 20 and exhibited shock ( hence the exclamation mark ) upon Android 20 fleeing the scene which implied that he was above 19 (Post) considering he wasn't hesitant on Android 20 escaping initially due to him believing that he was as pathetic as Android 19.

 

[ahill1]

Piccolo contemplated if Android 20 actually did conform to the rumors that Trunks presented

That was Gero (post absorptions) though. I'm talking about initial/base Gero.

Vegeta urgently reacted to Android 20 and exhibited shock ( hence the exclamation mark ) upon Android 20 fleeing the scene which implied that he was above 19 (Post) considering he wasn't hesitant on Android 20 escaping initially due to him believing that he was as pathetic as Android 19.

That was Gero post absorbing Vegeta's blast. Vegeta's comment just means Gero speed (post blast) > Gero speed (pre blast) imo. He would have known Gero's speed beforehand by watching him dash off to the mountains, so Gero's new speed catches him off guard.

 

[Goku9001]

No, I'm referring to when Android 20 fled immediately after Vegeta dispatched Android 19. Vegeta had no qualms allowing Android 20 to escape until after he witnessed Android 20 fleeing from the scene which indicates that he greatly underestimated his speed.

Keep in mind that Vegeta clearly didn't witness his speed beforehand at all as Android 20 was at standby meaning that he only witnessed Android 19 fighting and only based his assumptions around 19 which was proven to be a significant underestimation.

 

[Male]

Pre Android 20(Gero)- 100,000,000
Namek ssj Goku- 150,000,000

Goku has the strength advantage, yet Gero has energy absorption on his side.
If Goku know this info, he wins.
If Goku doesn't and fires a kamehameha like he did against 19, Goku loses. lol

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Gero takes this.

 

[ahill1]

No, I'm referring to when Android 20 fled immediately after Vegeta dispatched Android 19.

You argued 20 > Goku because Piccolo questioned if he was one of the real Androids. And, like I said, Piccolo was referring to 20 post absorptions, not initial Gero.

Keep in mind that Vegeta clearly didn't witness his speed beforehand at all as Android 20

Like I said, he could've gauged Gero's speed when the latter run off to the mountains, right after Vegeta's bluff, so Gero's post blast speed could have caught Vegeta off guard.