What do you mean?Firestar said:@ahill1 you know better than this
What are your reasons?Firestar said:You know Gero wins.
When?Firestar said:Piccolo literally states the reason.
You argued 20 > Goku because Piccolo questioned if he was one of the real Androids. And, like I said, Piccolo was referring to 20 post absorptions, not initial Gero.
Like I said, he could've gauged Gero's speed when the latter run off to the mountains, right after Vegeta's bluff, so Gero's post blast speed could have caught Vegeta off guard.
I have Gero becoming 1.2x stronger, so not "way stronger", but considerable so. But wait, if Gero becoming 1.2x stronger was already enough for Piccolo to doubt his own powers, it's really pretty unlikely he'd be weaker than Namek SSJ Goku. I also believe Gero would easily defeat SSJ Goku from Namek, but I'm interest in hearing your guys reasons and see if someone believes Gero would lose :wink:Goku9001 said:I gave up arguing that point because you believe Android 20 became significantly stronger after his absorption whereas I tend not to think so.
I really don't think Vegeta's face, drawned from that distance and barely visible could be used to indicate his surprise. But yeah, #20 (post absorptions) was most likely > #19 (post absorptions), considered the former powers were at least questioned by Piccolo.Goku9001 said:What I was referring to though was Android 20 fleeing immediately after Vegeta attempted to bluff his way out of the situation.
yaahill1 said:@Firestar - are you referring to this line?
Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...
Why?Firestar said:That doesn't matter.
If even #19 post wasn't considered as that impressive by Vegeta, then a much weaker #19 would obviously not have the same statement.Firestar said:Because they never commented on the weakness of the pre-absorption androids, so the statement stands for them as well.
What that has to do with anything? What matters is that Vegeta said #19 post absorptions (that is, after increasing his power a lot, according to Gero) still isn't as impressive as they were told.Firestar said:But Vegeta is much stronger than expected.
Piccolo brought up the two possibilities because they were true to a certain extent... They got way stronger, but at the same time, maybe #20 post isn't "a monster" compared to Mecha saga Trunks. Vegeta, however, didn't show such uncertain, pretty much saying the android isn't as bad as the rumors. It has nothing to do with him being too strong.Firestar said:Fits in with Piccolo's statement. Vegeta was strong enough to make the Androids look weak.