Dr. Gero (pre Absorptions) vs Goku SSJ (Namek)

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@ahill1 you know better than this
 

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Piccolo literally states the reason.
 

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@Firestar - are you referring to this line?

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...
 

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You argued 20 > Goku because Piccolo questioned if he was one of the real Androids. And, like I said, Piccolo was referring to 20 post absorptions, not initial Gero.

I gave up arguing that point because you believe Android 20 became significantly stronger after his absorption whereas I tend not to think so.

What I was referring to though was Android 20 fleeing immediately after Vegeta attempted to bluff his way out of the situation.

Like I said, he could've gauged Gero's speed when the latter run off to the mountains, right after Vegeta's bluff, so Gero's post blast speed could have caught Vegeta off guard.

I'm referring to Android 20 fleeing in response to Vegeta's bluff and Vegeta had no analysis of Android 20, so he automatically assumed he was as slow as Android 19. That was contradicted when Vegeta displayed shock and quickly pressured Krillin into handing him the sensu bean. If Android 20 was as slow as 19, Vegeta wouldn't have been left in utter shock and would have worried about Dr. Gero escaping unless he was flat out faster.

I was never at all referring to when Vegeta chases him, but the moment before that.
 

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Goku9001 said:
I gave up arguing that point because you believe Android 20 became significantly stronger after his absorption whereas I tend not to think so.
I have Gero becoming 1.2x stronger, so not "way stronger", but considerable so. But wait, if Gero becoming 1.2x stronger was already enough for Piccolo to doubt his own powers, it's really pretty unlikely he'd be weaker than Namek SSJ Goku. I also believe Gero would easily defeat SSJ Goku from Namek, but I'm interest in hearing your guys reasons and see if someone believes Gero would lose :wink:
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What I was referring to though was Android 20 fleeing immediately after Vegeta attempted to bluff his way out of the situation.
I really don't think Vegeta's face, drawned from that distance and barely visible could be used to indicate his surprise. But yeah, #20 (post absorptions) was most likely > #19 (post absorptions), considered the former powers were at least questioned by Piccolo.

How do you think Vegeta knew he would've probably lost to #20? The latter dodging Piccolo's kick and firing that eye laser was enough for him to gauge his strength?
 

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ahill1 said:
@Firestar - are you referring to this line?

Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3
Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?...
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@Firestar - that was in reference to #20 post absorptions though.
 

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Because they never commented on the weakness of the pre-absorption androids, so the statement stands for them as well.
 

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Firestar said:
Because they never commented on the weakness of the pre-absorption androids, so the statement stands for them as well.
If even #19 post wasn't considered as that impressive by Vegeta, then a much weaker #19 would obviously not have the same statement.
 

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But Vegeta is much stronger than expected.
 

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Firestar said:
But Vegeta is much stronger than expected.
What that has to do with anything? What matters is that Vegeta said #19 post absorptions (that is, after increasing his power a lot, according to Gero) still isn't as impressive as they were told.
 

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Fits in with Piccolo's statement. Vegeta was strong enough to make the Androids look weak.
 

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Well, #19 didn't really do anything after absorbing base Goku's ki, all his action was after absorbing his KHH.

But in any case, I highly doubt the two were weaker than anybody on Namek, the whole selling point of the androids was that they can easily take down someone that can kill Freeza in an instant.
 

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Firestar said:
Fits in with Piccolo's statement. Vegeta was strong enough to make the Androids look weak.
Piccolo brought up the two possibilities because they were true to a certain extent... They got way stronger, but at the same time, maybe #20 post isn't "a monster" compared to Mecha saga Trunks. Vegeta, however, didn't show such uncertain, pretty much saying the android isn't as bad as the rumors. It has nothing to do with him being too strong.

@Papasmurf - after being punched Vegeta confirmed his suspicions, so probably #19 barely increased his power absorbing base Goku's.
 
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