Dragon Ball: character analysis

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Piccolo is the first evil dude to turn into a good guy in the series. His mission from the beginning is justified to defeat Goku but still lost though. His bond with Gohan is what kept him relevant to series as he's developing his good side. The team work with the humans against the Saiyans was really cool to me along with his sacrificed to Gohan. His fight against Frieza was great given that both are big guys and still managed to make the fight really good. He made another change where he became a mentor to Goten and Trunks was something I think fit his character if he retires fighting as that will still make him relevant without actually fighting. His new role with Gohan is one of the best thing going on pre ToP and yet to have their spotlight [I think they will in NEP] which will be interesting to look out. He also became Pan's babysitter too. :alex

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Gohan is one of the better written characters, though not the absolute best. He was interesting from the start due to having a completely different personality from his father, unlike a few of the sons of protagonists Galu inspired (looking at you, Boruto). His evolution into a determined fighter in the Saiyan Arc was another example of it being the best arc for character development, though it was somewhat rushed in the manga, since we see Gohan going from a crybaby in one chapter to chasing a dinosaur like a boss in the next without any sort of developmental transition. Still, it was good for what it was, especially seeing Gohan essentially be the hero by being the last one to face Vegeta and defeat him as an Oozaru. As for the Freza Arc, though he's overshadowed by his father in this arc, his role as a willing and determined fighter made his character seem to have come full circle.
Whilst some consider the Cell Arc to be the best for his character development, I'm not so sure about that. In all honesty, his desire of not wanting to kill Cell at first was actually somewhat forced, as it seems like a character regression when considering the determination he had to kill fighters such as Reacoom or Freeza, as well as training 3 years solely to defeat the Artificial Humans. Hell, he straight up killed one of Freeza's soldiers on Namek, when he was barely transitioning out of his initial traits, so him not wishing to fight at this point seemed completely out of character. It's not as though he changed his values on life's worth or anything either, considering he seemed to view Cell as entirely despicable. I was at least willing to overlook it with the arc having allowed Gohan to fully transition into the next protagonist...if only that were the case.
The Boo Arc ruined Gohan's character potential by him having fully regressed to his bookworm self, making Goku's farewell seem more meaningless than it was in retrospect. Not only that, but when he's actually given some chance to prove his worth as Ultimate Gohan, he makes the same mistakes as against Cell and loses due to his arrogance just so Goku can be the hero again, effectively ruining what interest remained in his character. Though still one of the more well rounded characters due to his development in the Saiyan/Freeza Arcs, and to a lesser extent, the Cell Arc, he's definitely not as consistent a character as his Big Green teacher, his bald midget friend or his awkward experience on Namek. :rape1

5.5/10

Won't bother reviewing Future Gohan, since he's just Gohan with Goku's personality, so he wouldn't be given anything above the mediocre 5/10.
 

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Gohan is another character that I like, due to him having a distinct character, though still not as good as Vegeta, Piccolo and Krillin. His evolution in Saiyan arc, was pretty entertaining, and, despite being pretty rushed, is still somewhat realistic since Gohan, who was forced to fight to the death at the little age of 5, was clearly not mentally prepared to fight two genocidal maniacs, especially ones that are full-grown Saiyans. Nevertheless, he fought on.

In Freeza arc, Gohan is revealed to have a great sense of justice, being unable to stand watching innocent people getting murdered in front of him, a trait that he consistently keeps until the end of the manga. The sheer determination he has despite his young age was nothing short of impressive.

In Cell arc, however, Gohan not wanting to fight, let alone kill Cell felt...pretty contrived. I mean, the guy is threatening to destroy his homeworld, along with his family and friends. As CC pointed out, he killed and tried to kill people for less than that. Him suddenly trying to spare a far more dangerous opponent felt out of place. Fortunately, he was pushed to his limits with #16's speech, and subsequent death, opening the room for awesome moments in the last part of the arc. Goku's death also opened the possibility for Gohan to become Earth's protector in his place. It was the perfect time for Goku to pass the torch...

...unfortunately, in Boo arc, Gohan instead become a scholar and totally neglect his training, and is reduced to be the Saiyan's resident jobber. Even his Ultimate form (which has a contrived power-up method in itself) was only useful to serve as Boo's power fuel, as well as making Goku look good in becoming the hero again.

In the end, while still a good character, Gohan's potential in character is treated just like his potential in power: wasted.

5/10.
 

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CC, I thought Gohan didn't want to fight Cell because he thought it'd be meaningless. Yes, Cell did kill thousands of people before to achieve his perfect-form, but once he did become perfect he more or less just became a more evil Goku. Someone who wants to fight strong people, but unlike Goku threatens them with death if they don't produce. Up-to this point in his Perfect form he didn't really do shit besides beat-up Vegeta and Trunks and have a fight against Goku which went fair and square. Gohan doesn't like to hurt unless it's absolutely necessary like it was on Namek.

As for Future Gohan, I thought he wasn't like Goku. At-least in the TV-Special, Goku a-lot of times keeps his optimism and is id elastic, where-as Gohan seemed to look at things more realistically and realising when he has no chance, which was again highlighted when he almost gave-up against Cell before the KHH duel because he lost his confidence (something Goku rarely ever does have happen to him). Gohan is much more relatable in that sense. I think that made Future Gohan actually all the more heroic, all his friends died, he knew he had no chance but he still protected the earth from the menace androids.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
CC, I thought Gohan didn't want to fight Cell because he thought it'd be meaningless. Yes, Cell did kill thousands of people before to achieve his perfect-form, but once he did become perfect he more or less just became a more evil Goku. Someone who wants to fight strong people, but unlike Goku threatens them with death if they don't produce. Up-to this point in his Perfect form he didn't really do shit besides beat-up Vegeta and Trunks and have a fight against Goku which went fair and square. Gohan doesn't like to hurt unless it's absolutely necessary like it was on Namek.
It was absolutely necessary though, seeing as how he was the only one capable of fighting Cell at this point and Cell had already shown his intention to eradicate humanity should he not be killed. That and as Keedounan and I already mentioned, he's killed and been prepared to kill enemies over far less.

As for Future Gohan, I thought he wasn't like Goku. At-least in the TV-Special, Goku a-lot of times keeps his optimism and is id elastic, where-as Gohan seemed to look at things more realistically and realising when he has no chance, which was again highlighted when he almost gave-up against Cell before the KHH duel because he lost his confidence (something Goku rarely ever does have happen to him). Gohan is much more relatable in that sense. I think that made Future Gohan actually all the more heroic, all his friends died, he knew he had no chance but he still protected the earth from the menace androids.
We're talking about their manga selves here.

Even taking into account his TV Special self, I don't see the the difference to Goku as being that great if comparing him to Goku at his most serious, such as fighting against Piccolo Daimao or Freeza. That, and we didn't get enough opportunities for the difference of Future Gohan to Goku to be fleshed out entirely.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Fantastische Hure said:
CC, I thought Gohan didn't want to fight Cell because he thought it'd be meaningless. Yes, Cell did kill thousands of people before to achieve his perfect-form, but once he did become perfect he more or less just became a more evil Goku. Someone who wants to fight strong people, but unlike Goku threatens them with death if they don't produce. Up-to this point in his Perfect form he didn't really do shit besides beat-up Vegeta and Trunks and have a fight against Goku which went fair and square. Gohan doesn't like to hurt unless it's absolutely necessary like it was on Namek.
It was absolutely necessary though, seeing as how he was the only one capable of fighting Cell at this point and Cell had already shown his intention to eradicate humanity should he not be killed. That and as Keedounan and I already mentioned, he's killed and been prepared to kill enemies over far less.

As for Future Gohan, I thought he wasn't like Goku. At-least in the TV-Special, Goku a-lot of times keeps his optimism and is id elastic, where-as Gohan seemed to look at things more realistically and realising when he has no chance, which was again highlighted when he almost gave-up against Cell before the KHH duel because he lost his confidence (something Goku rarely ever does have happen to him). Gohan is much more relatable in that sense. I think that made Future Gohan actually all the more heroic, all his friends died, he knew he had no chance but he still protected the earth from the menace androids.
We're talking about their manga selves here.

Even taking into account his TV Special self, I don't see the the difference to Goku as being that great if comparing him to Goku at his most serious, such as fighting against Piccolo Daimao or Freeza. That, and we didn't get enough opportunities for the difference of Future Gohan to Goku to be fleshed out entirely.
It probably was absolutely necessary, I agree but I can also see why Gohan didn't want to fight Cell. Cell wasn't exactly massacring earth when he held the Cell-Games. He threatened though, unlike someone like say Freeza it seemed Cell could be more reasonable, but that's just me.

Well Goku almost never gives-up. The only time he ever came close to giving-up was against Freeza IIRC and then he saw what would happen if he didn't win. Gohan knew he was out-classed, knew he could not gain the power of plot, but still continued fighting despite that. Goku would just say "Fack You. You can never beat me." Remember Gohan retreaded as well against the androids when Trunks got hurt, which is common-sense, but for some reason I can't see Goku doing the same.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
It probably was absolutely necessary, I agree but I can also see why Gohan didn't want to fight Cell. Cell wasn't exactly massacring earth when he held the Cell-Games. He threatened though, unlike someone like say Freeza it seemed Cell could be more reasonable, but that's just me.
Cell outright massacred a bunch of the KC troops sent to attack him. Not exactly an unwarranted action, but before that, he'd spent his life literally squeezing the life out of countless innocents.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Fantastische Hure said:
It probably was absolutely necessary, I agree but I can also see why Gohan didn't want to fight Cell. Cell wasn't exactly massacring earth when he held the Cell-Games. He threatened though, unlike someone like say Freeza it seemed Cell could be more reasonable, but that's just me.
Cell outright massacred a bunch of the KC troops sent to attack him. Not exactly an unwarranted action, but before that, he'd spent his life literally squeezing the life out of countless innocents.
I agree with all of that and yeah he probably deserved a whopping for all of that, but like I said Cell didn't seem completely unreasonable so Gohan might have thought he could just talk him away, which obviously didn't happen but that's why when Cell didn't listen and let the Cell Jr.s go-off on the Z-Senshis he owned Cell.
 

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Vegeta is one of the better characters in the series, some would say the absolute best, but is that truly the case?

Vegeta was somewhat similar in his first two arcs to how Piccolo was, a villain without much depth in the first, before becoming a well rounded character in the next. I won't say much of Saiyan Arc Vegeta, as he had little to his personality different from villains such as Piccolo Daimao or 23rd TB Piccolo. The Freeza Arc is where he starts to shine and I'd even say it was his peak. His role in fighting against Freeza using strategy to turn every situation in his favour made him easily the most interesting character to watch in this arc. He did get somewhat hindered by his sudden obsession with the Super Saiyan being shoehorned in without much build up before Goku's arrival, though it's excusable compared to the other merits he provided. He was one of the few villains who Toriyama gave a justification for his actions, having been manipulated by Freeza for the most part and his plea for Goku to defeat Freeza was one of the most meaningful moments of character development in the series, allowing his arc to become whole. It was somewhat disappointing how quickly he gave up against Freeza though, considering all his scheming and opportunistic luck throughout almost a year of publication built up to him giving up after Freeza just dodging a few hits and deflecting a large Ki blast. Nevertheless, I believe his character was handled well enough here that I would've been fine with him remaining dead, whether or not the series were to end here.

This is in part due to the Cell Arc being a great disservice to his character. Until Trunks' death, Vegeta had completely regressed as a character. His hopes in Goku becoming the Super Saiyan were replaced with jealousy of not being one, making his speech before death seem meaningless. What's more, the clever opportunist of the Namek Arc was replaced with pure arrogance. I can tolerate it after he became a Super Saiyan due to what it meant for him at the time, but his attitude of believing it to be invincible was completely ridiculous due to already knowing Super Saiyan Trunks was nothing to the Artificial Humans. What's more, him letting Cell absorb #18 is a complete opposite of his Namek Arc self. On Namek, he'd kill any opponent when getting the chance. Him letting Freeza transform was justified as he already knew Freeza could do so and therefore fighting against his 1st form would just waste his energy when Freeza could instantly turn things around. Here, there was no justification beyond "muh Saiyan pride", altering what was previously a no-nonsence character into someone who extends the plot with CIS. His reaction to Trunks' death was good, but not enough to redeem his actions in this arc or equal his Namek Arc self.
The Boo Arc is where most would say his character peaked, but I'd disagree. For one, the changes in his personality as a result of having a family (something hindered by him explicitly saying so with exposition) happened completely offscreen. Beyond training Trunks for one chapter, we're not given many scenes to make his development seem believable. This is also hindered by him allowing Babidi to control him, effectively doing the exact same thing as against Cell just to extend the plot. His Final Explosion and words to Trunks were nowhere near as meaningful as his final words on Namek, since here the chance of him being revived was certain if anyone wished to, as all it'd take were two Shunkan Ido trips from Galu to get to Namek. His acceptance of Goku's superiority and willingness to fuse with him were good, but the former didn't hold as much weight as him begging Goku carry the torch for him on Namek and the fusion was just what any rational person would do in the situation anyway.

Vegeta is still one of the best developed characters in the series, but didn't have as much consistency with his development as Piccolo or Kuririn, nor the subtlety of it that the former did. Whilst I'd say these three are the best written characters in the series, I'd honestly place Vegeta as 3rd amongst them due to this.
I might also add that whilst he was the best developed of the three in Super for a while if counting it, the Tournament of Power ruined this by have him constantly flip-flopping between his current and Cell Arc personality and motives. For example, we're not given any indication that he's seriously fighting to protect the lives of Bulma and Trunks at all given his performance, with him seeming to only care about his superiority. One step forward, three or more steps back.

6/10
 

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Alright, my turn.

In Saiyan arc, Vegeta is your typical sociopathic bad guy in Dragon Ball. However, there are subtle signs of intelligence (like him figuring out that the Kienzan is more dangerous than it appeared), which is further expanded on in the next arc, Namek arc. Vegeta was really cunning there, taking all of the dragon balls under Freeza's nose and all, he really might have been the first immortal in the series if it wasn't for the dragon balls radar. Vegeta's death scene (and the "fight" leading to it) was very effective in terms of emotions. After all, we're talking about a Saiyan as proud as him pleading his rival to defeat Freeza to avenge their race. Vegeta dying permanently here could have been a satisfying end for the character. But considering AT didn't have the guts to kill him off when he was supposed due to his popularity, he certainly wouldn't have in his best character arc.

In Cell arc, however, Vegeta became a generic, stupid thug that lacks the magnificence he had in Namek arc, and never seemed to learn from his mistakes. Instead of listening to Trunks, he carelessly rushes into the cyborgs and Cell, and both times, he pays for it. Vegeta was really getting on my nerves there. His reaction to Trunks' death help a little, though. Just a little.

In Boo arc, Vegeta apparently decided to become a good father to Trunks and a good husband to Bulma, but for some reason, he decided to briefly turn back to his Cell arc self. Goku still manage to reach him though, and when he learns about Gohan's death, he decides to sacrifice himself to make up for his mistakes. Unfortunately, he doesn't get to kill off Boo. One note that Goku is one of the three persons Vegeta mentionned before his death, meaning he has come to respect him...not that he will tell him anytime soon.

While Vegeta is my favorite character as of now, one has to keep their critical sense in an analysis. My conclusion on his character is...quite mitigated. From the generic bad guy to the cunning mastermind to the brainless thug and the matured Saiyan, Vegeta is quite the mixed bag of a character. It's like Toriyama doesn't know what to do with him. And even though the writers seemed to have made up their mind on the last part of the character in Super, it looks like they're reverting him back to his Cell arc self. Nevertheless, Vegeta is still one of the most entertaining characters in the manga.

6/10.
 

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Vegeta's score: 6/10.

After the father, the son, Future Trunks.
 

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I tend to consider Trunks more akin to a plot device than an actual character. His primary role in the plot is to serve exposition to drive the plot and rely on others to solve his problems. It's amazing how the fanbase hold such different opinions between he and Shin, when the two are scarily similar in the role they play in the plot. Trunks is also hindered by being presented as overly inexperienced in battle for someone who's endured his lifestyle, seeing as how he neither caught onto the flaw of Grade 3 or the benefits of MSSJ until both had to be spelt out to him.
I don't consider his serious attitude in taking down foes he had an overwhelming advantage against to be that interesting, since it's just the logical route we've seen many character do and only seems original for the Saiyans. I also don't consider his differences to his main timeline self to make him much of a good character, considering it's simply a character purely moulded by his traumatic past, making him primarily a reactionary character.
I wouldn't factor in Super as changing his character at all, as whilst the anime made him more independent, this doesn't make up for making Trunks far more overpowered than logic should dictate, resulting in the worst asspulls of the arc.

3/10
 

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Not much to add about Trunks, except that his whole character is pretty much what you'd expect from someone who lived what he lived. However, AT didn't make any effort to expand further, ultimately making him quite bland as a character.

3/10
 

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Keedounan said:
CC more or less covered what I think about Goku, though I would actually add something else.

It seems like Goku was aware that the other protagonits tends to depend too much on him. Just look at how many times the others were getting pessimistic because he wasn't around. In fact, Bulma sent Trunks in the past mainly to save Goku, because she thought he could actually do something against the androids. As such, he insisted to pass the role of protector of the world to someone else. However, both times backfired, resulting first in his own death. The second time caused the destruction of the world. And in the end, he saves the day again.

The problem with Goku's character is that he didn't change much, making quite bland when compared to, say, Piccolo and Vegeta. What was endearing and cute when he was a kid become infruriating and annoying as an adult, especially for his Anime counterparts, who tend to flanderize his character even more.

5/10 for Goku.
Just going back to this, I always got the impression that Goku changed considerably and has developed a lot. In the Red Ribbon arc, for example, he didn't feel like showing mercy for his enemies and, arguably, killed every one of them that even slightly annoyed him, making it consistent against Commander Black as well, who didn't even want to fight anymore and was already making his escape. In subsequent arcs, he felt no need to land the final blow in his enemies when they were already unable to fight -- like saying to Vegeta to take Nappa, who was already so beated up he couldn't even move, out of his planet -- or not killing Freeza since shattering his pride to nothingness was already enough.

Even a big part of his innocence was already gone by the Boo arc, where he actually 'manipulated' Elder Kaioshin making use of this latter's obsession towards hot womans as a way to get what he wished, which seemed something impossible to happen even for 23rd Budokai Goku, who didn't even know what a marriage was, much less for the Goku of the beginning of the series, who couldn't even differentiate a male from a female and hadn't even an ounce of malice to the point of getting leverage over an old man. It shows how much he has learned from the people he spent sometime living with, and it shows he was no longer that pure child or teenager who didn't even grasp man's feelings towards a woman.
 

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Also, regarding Vegeta, I agree he was way more, how can I say, pragmatic, cunning in the Freeza saga, avoiding to take unecessary risks and killing his opponents when he actually had the chance, whereas in the Cell saga he seemed just overly confident and not believing his new powers could be overcomed until he felt it on his own body. In the Freeza arc he was alsmost begging Kuririn -- in his own way -- to martally injury him before Freeza completes his final transformations, whereas in the Cell saga he kicked Trunks away when this latter was trying to prevent what, precisely, would take Vegeta to his downfall.

But, maybe this apparent change in Vegeta's behaviour could be explained by the huge fear he had for Freeza, already knowing what he was capable of and being ruled by him by an eternity. Much like Kaioshin fearing Boo in Babidi's spaceship and, in consequence going off his natural self, it's kind of possible Vegeta went a little out of character due to dealing with Freeza, an enemy he himself admitted he couldn't oppose on his own since the beginning unless getting the immortality, whereas he at least hadn't experienced Cell's fearsomeness and didn't hold so much of a grudge against him like against the tyrant, maybe explaining his less pragmatic behavior.
 

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Vegeta still wasn't an idiot in the Saiyan arc so the Cell arc pr much just changed him to a plot device to make matters worse imo. AT even said he wasn't fond of Vegeta but found it helpful to keep him around.
 
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