Dragon Ball Discussion

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta in Namek is delusional as fuck. He always struggled to belive in anything.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I always found funny and fucked up at the same time how Kuririn and Tenshinhan couldn't budge that door. I mean, aren't they at the very least closing on planet busters by this time?

 

[SSJ2]

It was said in the Daizesnhuu the door was built with Katchin, so it makes sense I guess.

 

[SSJ2]

The Namek arc hooks me every time. Why can't this quality be found now!?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

There was a debate awhile back on first form Freeza's power-up being different than the power-up in his second form.

I don't really see how you can distinguish an actual difference other than the wording being different. Since Krillin and Piccolo noted that Freeza's power went up, that could only logically mean he can control his power in his first form as well. Vegeta makes it seem like this concept was never displayed prior to that. You could even see Vegeta reacting to Freeza's power-up.

Vegeta's the same guy who claimed he needed Goku's help the most when it came to fighting Freeza and later tells Krillin Goku's low-class status means he won't get a Zenkai. Vegeta is all over the place.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Is Vegeta aware Kaioken is a technique and not Goku's full power?

I don't think Vegeta changing his mind is contraditory tbh. Freeza's power is way beyond what he expected, so while Goku could help against 1st form, he couldn't against 3rd/4th form Freeza.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It's more about Vegeta assuming Goku wouldn't become any stronger from healing because he's a low-class Saiyan. Especially when Goku pointed out that Vegeta had become strong enough to fight Jheese after healing. Vegeta figured out the Zenkai trait after the battle on Earth, so for Goku to be aware of this, it'd only make sense if he also experienced it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Vegeta assumed that Goku, as a low class Saiyan, has got on his ceiling and cannot grow any stronger, independent if it is training or via Zenkais.

 

[SSJ2]

But with all due respect, that is a retarded train of thought for Vegeta.. He witnessed two incredibly increases in Goku's power.. 1) After his death to Raditz, he went to 8k, and then in just six days went from 8k to 90k.. Why would he think Goku couldn't receive those benefits?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Someone else said Vegeta probably said that so Krillin could hurry up and attack him.

To me, that makes more sense.

 

[ahill1]

As for Vegeta's statement on 2nd form Freeza, I dunno if someone has brought it before, but I don't think it inherently means 1st form Freeza couldn't control his battle power... right before powering up Freeza stated how he can't control his power well in that form, so Vegeta might just be surprised that Freeza in his 2nd form can control his battle power as well, as in "so he is capable of controlling his battle power in this form, that he had previously stated it's hard to control?". That is, Vegeta saw how 1st form Freeza could control his battle power, but still wasn't sure that Freeza in his 2nd form could do the same.

It's either that, or what Freeza did in his 1st form was akin to what Vegeta and Nappa did on Earth, where the Z warriors' reactions clearly implied they were changing their battle power, yet they couldn't really change it... dunno.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's actually a good point. I always took Vegeta's statement to be a revelation in itself, but you could say it was made in conjunction with Freeza's statement.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why the fuck nobody can find Tenshinhan on the Boo Arc? Couldn't those guys track ki from people was weak as Bulma?

 

[Papasmurf]

Obviously the size of that man's shoulders can't be measured by mere ki sensors

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Tien was probably suppressed. He did say he wasn't going to see any of them again.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He said that because he was leaving and probably wouldn't come across the Z Fighters. It's not like he was hidding from them.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Maybe Tien was just living normally and had his Chi down on a normal basis. The fact that Gohan couldn't find him would point to that outcome.

Krillin reiterated what Tien said when Gohan told everyone he couldn't find them. It's possible that he wanted to just live in seclusion and not be found.

 

[Jeff Styles]

It does raise another question, why would he not wants to see them. It seems like it was a excuse not to use Tenshinan for the majority of the Arc. He only appears two times.

Quite honestly, I forgot about him during the Arc. Much like the Pilaf gang, Launch, Android 8, etc. It like they all disappeared and when we see them, we wondered where the hell they've been.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Pilaf gang didn't appear on the Boo Arc at all, though is later revealed they used the Dragon Balls to wish youth and turned into babies.

And Lunch died from OD after Tenshinhan declined her for gay sex with mime boy.

 

[ahill1]

Is Cell regenerating himself even though Goku's KMHMH vaporized half of his body (head included) a contradiction, considering he later stated he can regenerate as long as his nucleus (pointing to his head) is kept intact?