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It's possible, but White's reactions don't seem to support it in the manga. He seemed pretty confident his regular troops could take down Goku despite Silver presenting enough speed that regular troops would be no match, though I guess you could argue he was factoring in damage from the plane crash.
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Interesting though as White knew once the RRA plane crashed that it must be Galu, so he was aware there was an interaction. I get the feeling that White was skeptical of Goku's abilities similar to how red was. Red sentenced silver to death for losing to Goku lol.
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One thing I forgot to mention prior is that I liked the early introduction of the village chief (or Chief Niba as he's named in a liscensed playset) is a RRA guard giving him his meal. Seems the Red Ribbon take good care of their prisoners, all things considered.
Episode 39 - There's the addition of #8 having shackles on that he destroys through sheer strength. Considering the direct continuity this arc would have with the Cell Arc in Z, I do wonder if Toriyama looked back on this addition to the anime during the scene where #16 breaks the police cuffs. I find the filler of Goku and #8's struggles with the maze to be far better than in the manga for three reasons; having more soldiers than those on the second floor makes White seem far less understaffed, the point 4th level and top floor becomes far better protected when not just a straight walk through and it provides #8 a chance to do more by showing his problem solving abilities. I also find it a nice touch that the display for this part of Muscle Tower on White's screen acts like a video game. Again, the anime definitely shows more character for him when it comes to personal interests.
It's interesting that White notes he is #8's creator and brought him back from the dead, which will go towards the later Daizenshuu statement of #8 being of a human base (though DBZ Kakarot would contradict this); and probably with similar mechanic components as Gero given the later filler showing his interior. White was obviously bullshitting as a means to keep #8 in check when considering the filler three episodes later, but we'll get to that.
The scene with Suno was pretty pointless. I did like the little mouse creature as showing the difference in animals from our world and the DB world, though it doesn't really add anything.
Episode 40 - Not much to say by comparison. I like how Goku's strategy against Buyon showed his problem solving ability and tied to a new experience he learnt at this part of his journey. Not much else to talk about from the episode, though there are some things to note about Buyon. According to DBO, Buyon isn't native to Earth and the Freeza Force actually had Buyons under their command as essentially living shields. Makes you wonder how White managed to find one and put it in his secret floor.
Episode 41 - One of my favourite additions in the anime for this arc, despite how short it is, would be #8 pleading with Goku not to attack White out of anger. It's a small thing, but it does serve as something you could pinpoint as a factor that altered Goku's moral compass towards dealing with villains after his training with Popo. It's a shame the manga didn't have something like this and only had the clarity of mind that came with meditation as a means to imply this. I also like the extended part of White negotiating with #8 and Goku, trying to bargain with #8 in letting Niba go if #8 kills Galu. It makes more sense, considering White still had to find a way to get #8 to co-operate. Having #8 destroy Muscle Tower was also a good addition, though this is one moment where I do prefer the dub for going in-depth on his reasoning being the symbol it represents.
As for events part of the manga canon, the Powered Gun makes sense to have, seeing how many superpowered fighters impervious to normal bullets are running around the world at that time and it would likely be difficult enough to produce that it would be this rare, special thing. I also like how easily Goku adjusts when Niba says he'll sacrifice himself as long as Goku beats White. It definitely does a lot in showing Goku's sense of morality and how he isn't the completely justice-loving "Superman Goku" the early Funi dub painted him as, nor is it the selfish Goku modern DB likes to view him as.
Episode 42 - Pretty mediocre filler episode for the most part. I do like how it removed the loose end of #8's bomb, though introducing Professor Frappe as his creator causes major problems down the line with Gero in a manner I like to compare with the Crystal Saint addition Toei made to Saint Seiya's anime about a year after this. If you were to try and rationalise it into later continuity, you could assume Gero made the blueprints and Frappe did the construction, though unfortunately Toei preferred to just retcon Frappe's entire existence from that point onward rather than try and work with their change. Also, it seems like a pretty big stretch that Murasaki would survive Muscle Tower's collapse, and find a new katana in perfect condition at that
Episode 39 - There's the addition of #8 having shackles on that he destroys through sheer strength. Considering the direct continuity this arc would have with the Cell Arc in Z, I do wonder if Toriyama looked back on this addition to the anime during the scene where #16 breaks the police cuffs. I find the filler of Goku and #8's struggles with the maze to be far better than in the manga for three reasons; having more soldiers than those on the second floor makes White seem far less understaffed, the point 4th level and top floor becomes far better protected when not just a straight walk through and it provides #8 a chance to do more by showing his problem solving abilities. I also find it a nice touch that the display for this part of Muscle Tower on White's screen acts like a video game. Again, the anime definitely shows more character for him when it comes to personal interests.
It's interesting that White notes he is #8's creator and brought him back from the dead, which will go towards the later Daizenshuu statement of #8 being of a human base (though DBZ Kakarot would contradict this); and probably with similar mechanic components as Gero given the later filler showing his interior. White was obviously bullshitting as a means to keep #8 in check when considering the filler three episodes later, but we'll get to that.
The scene with Suno was pretty pointless. I did like the little mouse creature as showing the difference in animals from our world and the DB world, though it doesn't really add anything.
Episode 40 - Not much to say by comparison. I like how Goku's strategy against Buyon showed his problem solving ability and tied to a new experience he learnt at this part of his journey. Not much else to talk about from the episode, though there are some things to note about Buyon. According to DBO, Buyon isn't native to Earth and the Freeza Force actually had Buyons under their command as essentially living shields. Makes you wonder how White managed to find one and put it in his secret floor.
Episode 41 - One of my favourite additions in the anime for this arc, despite how short it is, would be #8 pleading with Goku not to attack White out of anger. It's a small thing, but it does serve as something you could pinpoint as a factor that altered Goku's moral compass towards dealing with villains after his training with Popo. It's a shame the manga didn't have something like this and only had the clarity of mind that came with meditation as a means to imply this. I also like the extended part of White negotiating with #8 and Goku, trying to bargain with #8 in letting Niba go if #8 kills Galu. It makes more sense, considering White still had to find a way to get #8 to co-operate. Having #8 destroy Muscle Tower was also a good addition, though this is one moment where I do prefer the dub for going in-depth on his reasoning being the symbol it represents.
As for events part of the manga canon, the Powered Gun makes sense to have, seeing how many superpowered fighters impervious to normal bullets are running around the world at that time and it would likely be difficult enough to produce that it would be this rare, special thing. I also like how easily Goku adjusts when Niba says he'll sacrifice himself as long as Goku beats White. It definitely does a lot in showing Goku's sense of morality and how he isn't the completely justice-loving "Superman Goku" the early Funi dub painted him as, nor is it the selfish Goku modern DB likes to view him as.
Episode 42 - Pretty mediocre filler episode for the most part. I do like how it removed the loose end of #8's bomb, though introducing Professor Frappe as his creator causes major problems down the line with Gero in a manner I like to compare with the Crystal Saint addition Toei made to Saint Seiya's anime about a year after this. If you were to try and rationalise it into later continuity, you could assume Gero made the blueprints and Frappe did the construction, though unfortunately Toei preferred to just retcon Frappe's entire existence from that point onward rather than try and work with their change. Also, it seems like a pretty big stretch that Murasaki would survive Muscle Tower's collapse, and find a new katana in perfect condition at that
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I think it may also mean that seeing the act by himself is different from merely knowing it. He knew Goku was capable of that but still hadn't seen him enacting such feat.
Though I find it curious that he seemed excited with the prospect of fighting Goku when he saw him taking out the guards from the first floor and avoiding, dodging bullets, when we saw later on that he was pretty surprised by Goku not budging when he shot Goku.
Though I find it curious that he seemed excited with the prospect of fighting Goku when he saw him taking out the guards from the first floor and avoiding, dodging bullets, when we saw later on that he was pretty surprised by Goku not budging when he shot Goku.
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Episode 43 - This ends the Jingle Village events. From them, one of the main valid criticisms of the arc is apparent. Whilst I'm fine with Goku being the one to get all the limelight for this arc when its focus is on him learning on his own adventure and becoming more independent in doing so, the side characters he encounters certainly aren't as interesting as Kuririn, Yamucha, Bulma, etc. The reveal of Kinto Un once being commonplace is something I like in showing how Kafkaesque (when fantastical elements are treat as a mundane event in a fictional world) Dragon Ball was. It certainly shows how damaging the Cell Arc's iteration of Earth was though if back here flying magic clouds were still something in human memory.
I find Goku venturing around Metro West as a great way of showing how out of his element he is and how little value he places in things such as money, seeing it for the piece of paper it has become and a means to an end rather than a life goal of acquisition. It's also interesting how the police officer finds it odd Goku doesn't know Bulma's citizen number, especially when in real life many can't easily remember things such as various data codes for themselves. It shows a lot with a little in what the society in DB's Earth is like.
Episode 44 - It's pretty interesting to judge a lot of the events that happens in Capsule Corp. We have Professor Brief finding Bulma slow that she hasn't moved on to making out with Galu despite him being 12 and her being in a relationship with Yamucha, then Panchi/Bikini (depending on whether you prefer the Dragon Ball Forever or DBZ Kakarot choice on her name) thinks it's rebellious for a 12 year old not to drink alcohol. Damn, no wonder Bulma has a few screws loose in her personality
We get the introduction of the filler character Husky. Not much to say about her personality compared to the following episode, but there is a bit of trivia. Her outfit seems like it has some Hokuto no Ken influence, particularly from Kenshiro. Interestingly, she shares the same seiyuu as the HnK character Mamiya (Toshiko Fujita) and her English voice actor voiced Mamiya in the dub of Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage. I do like how this filler allowed one-off characters like the alleyway thieves to have more insight provided on them.
Episode 45 - This is the right kind of filler episode. We get to see some more insight into the fractures of Yamucha and Bulma's relationship and Yamucha struggling Husky's temptations makes his apparent cheating in the Cell Arc feel far less forced when having a relationship with Bulma is far from easy. On the subject of Husky, she's a pretty decent filler character. Along with being presented as quite competent for the most part, scenes towards the end such as being oblivious to crashing due to her arrogance or being highly ticklish make her more than a one-dimensional villain of the week. Also, the comedy was really well done for this episode and really fit Toriyama's style.
Along with those aspects, this is an episode that even if knowing it was filler still had some tension due to how willing Toei was to change the sequence of events for the early anime and a lot of the other Jump works they had going at the time such as Hokuto no Ken or Saint Seiya. It is disappointing how pathetic a fighter that was once Goku's equal was treat though as Yamucha struggles against Husky in a contest of strength.
I find Goku venturing around Metro West as a great way of showing how out of his element he is and how little value he places in things such as money, seeing it for the piece of paper it has become and a means to an end rather than a life goal of acquisition. It's also interesting how the police officer finds it odd Goku doesn't know Bulma's citizen number, especially when in real life many can't easily remember things such as various data codes for themselves. It shows a lot with a little in what the society in DB's Earth is like.
Episode 44 - It's pretty interesting to judge a lot of the events that happens in Capsule Corp. We have Professor Brief finding Bulma slow that she hasn't moved on to making out with Galu despite him being 12 and her being in a relationship with Yamucha, then Panchi/Bikini (depending on whether you prefer the Dragon Ball Forever or DBZ Kakarot choice on her name) thinks it's rebellious for a 12 year old not to drink alcohol. Damn, no wonder Bulma has a few screws loose in her personality
We get the introduction of the filler character Husky. Not much to say about her personality compared to the following episode, but there is a bit of trivia. Her outfit seems like it has some Hokuto no Ken influence, particularly from Kenshiro. Interestingly, she shares the same seiyuu as the HnK character Mamiya (Toshiko Fujita) and her English voice actor voiced Mamiya in the dub of Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage. I do like how this filler allowed one-off characters like the alleyway thieves to have more insight provided on them.
Episode 45 - This is the right kind of filler episode. We get to see some more insight into the fractures of Yamucha and Bulma's relationship and Yamucha struggling Husky's temptations makes his apparent cheating in the Cell Arc feel far less forced when having a relationship with Bulma is far from easy. On the subject of Husky, she's a pretty decent filler character. Along with being presented as quite competent for the most part, scenes towards the end such as being oblivious to crashing due to her arrogance or being highly ticklish make her more than a one-dimensional villain of the week. Also, the comedy was really well done for this episode and really fit Toriyama's style.
Along with those aspects, this is an episode that even if knowing it was filler still had some tension due to how willing Toei was to change the sequence of events for the early anime and a lot of the other Jump works they had going at the time such as Hokuto no Ken or Saint Seiya. It is disappointing how pathetic a fighter that was once Goku's equal was treat though as Yamucha struggles against Husky in a contest of strength.
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Seems I was misremembering things from the Capsule Corp. events as episode 44 did have Bulma say she's surprised it's taking Goku so long to acquire two DBs. With the idea of there being some unseen 4 month timeskip between Galu visiting Namu's village and Pilaf's return, it does make sense, though that itself has flaws such as Goku and Bulma still being the same age as they were at the start of the series.
Episode 46 - Blue's introduction does a lot to show he has the most personality out of the RRA members with how over the top his desire for beauty and cleanliness was. Original Zarbon right here, and far more entertaining with how he'd casually kill soldiers who don't match such standards. The executed soldier also said he had a wife and children, reminding the audience some of the RRA are just people doing their job.
...And then on the flipside of that, you have Galu saving Bulma from Straight
and his white, rapey pal 
I'd say this and Bulma's commentary on them wanting to do the kind of things you can't mention in a light-hearted gag anime can act as showing the Red Ribbon Army Arc as the start of DB's transitional point as a more serious action story, of which it'd start to show fully when Taopaipai killed Bora.
Episode 47 - Pretty slow paced and uneventful. I did find it nice how it showed more for Umigame by showing he has a son called Taro (A reference to the Urashima-Taro myth). It is a bit odd that in the previous episodes he was just called Kame and is then given the title/name Umigame from hereon though. It is pretty funny that Roshi's perverted nature is to the extent that he'd peek on a girl on the toilet. I mean, damn Roshi, is what they're doing not going to be a turn-off?
Roshi: "You're not dealing with the average pervert anymore." :rape
Episode 48 - I liked how it presented Blue as instinctively attacking those who sneak behind him to show he wouldn't be a pushover like most of the RRA thus far. I'm not keen on the deduction of Roshi being the radar's inventor to be changed to Black's rather than Blue's though as it makes Blue's actions far more of subordination and less a well-thought yet inaccurate miscalculation of a General's free thought. One thing I found strange was the Steve Simmons subs choosing to translate Captain Dark's name as "Dock". Usually the subs are accurate in maintaining the original pun and the dub removes that aspect, but here it's the reverse. Also, the anime pretty much confirms Blue as a homosexual significantly before Kuririn and Bulma's assumption by having him say someone as chubby as Dark isn't his type.
I really like the insert song "Red Ribbon Army" sung by the super sentai song veteran who also did some songs for Kinnikuman, Takayuki Miyauchi. It's a shame it was played for such an irrelevant scene and only here though, considering it being a song for the RRA as a whole and how fond this arc was for throwing in insert songs whenever they could (likely to increase CD sales).
Episode 46 - Blue's introduction does a lot to show he has the most personality out of the RRA members with how over the top his desire for beauty and cleanliness was. Original Zarbon right here, and far more entertaining with how he'd casually kill soldiers who don't match such standards. The executed soldier also said he had a wife and children, reminding the audience some of the RRA are just people doing their job.
...And then on the flipside of that, you have Galu saving Bulma from Straight
and his white, rapey pal I'd say this and Bulma's commentary on them wanting to do the kind of things you can't mention in a light-hearted gag anime can act as showing the Red Ribbon Army Arc as the start of DB's transitional point as a more serious action story, of which it'd start to show fully when Taopaipai killed Bora.Episode 47 - Pretty slow paced and uneventful. I did find it nice how it showed more for Umigame by showing he has a son called Taro (A reference to the Urashima-Taro myth). It is a bit odd that in the previous episodes he was just called Kame and is then given the title/name Umigame from hereon though. It is pretty funny that Roshi's perverted nature is to the extent that he'd peek on a girl on the toilet. I mean, damn Roshi, is what they're doing not going to be a turn-off?
Roshi: "You're not dealing with the average pervert anymore." :rape
Episode 48 - I liked how it presented Blue as instinctively attacking those who sneak behind him to show he wouldn't be a pushover like most of the RRA thus far. I'm not keen on the deduction of Roshi being the radar's inventor to be changed to Black's rather than Blue's though as it makes Blue's actions far more of subordination and less a well-thought yet inaccurate miscalculation of a General's free thought. One thing I found strange was the Steve Simmons subs choosing to translate Captain Dark's name as "Dock". Usually the subs are accurate in maintaining the original pun and the dub removes that aspect, but here it's the reverse. Also, the anime pretty much confirms Blue as a homosexual significantly before Kuririn and Bulma's assumption by having him say someone as chubby as Dark isn't his type.
I really like the insert song "Red Ribbon Army" sung by the super sentai song veteran who also did some songs for Kinnikuman, Takayuki Miyauchi. It's a shame it was played for such an irrelevant scene and only here though, considering it being a song for the RRA as a whole and how fond this arc was for throwing in insert songs whenever they could (likely to increase CD sales).
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Episode 49 - I find it good how, despite his camp nature, it presents Blue as being the most competent villain thus far in how he takes into account aspects such as terrain or possible traps from Goku's group. Again, it stands out in the series when it would've been impossible to replicate some of the adventure aspects in later arcs with things such as a submarine chase.
Episode 50 -I prefer that the anime waited until this point to have Red comment on Black's height as showing his Napoleon complex with the painting that switches their height around works far better as a gag and doing so if they'd already had this comment before would've made it repetitive otherwise. Blue strangling an eel certainly helps hype him up as a competent threat. It is pretty strange how the flashback of the pirates presents them as having an old fashioned gallon, yet we're shown at the end of the episode they had a submarine docked in the cave. :toei being :toei I guess.
Episode 51 - It's good how it made the Pirate Robot a genuine threat to Goku and less of just a tough roadblock. I also like how Bulma managed to play a part in distracting it, rather than just being useless for these events like in the manga. It also makes it far more understandable why Kuririn would just accept leaving things to Goku immediately and I like that it fleshed out the layout of the cave's security a bit.
Episode 52 - The extensions of some scenes and the overall direction really enhanced these events compared to the manga. Things such as showing the scale of the water cavern Kuririn and Bulma had to dive through really makes Kuririn's physical capabilities more impressive, as well as Blue's with him not struggling at all. The constant cuts between Kuririn/Bulma and Goku's events helps amp up the tension with the introduction of another trap that makes the pirates' security far more thought out than in the manga.
Episode 50 -I prefer that the anime waited until this point to have Red comment on Black's height as showing his Napoleon complex with the painting that switches their height around works far better as a gag and doing so if they'd already had this comment before would've made it repetitive otherwise. Blue strangling an eel certainly helps hype him up as a competent threat. It is pretty strange how the flashback of the pirates presents them as having an old fashioned gallon, yet we're shown at the end of the episode they had a submarine docked in the cave. :toei being :toei I guess.
Episode 51 - It's good how it made the Pirate Robot a genuine threat to Goku and less of just a tough roadblock. I also like how Bulma managed to play a part in distracting it, rather than just being useless for these events like in the manga. It also makes it far more understandable why Kuririn would just accept leaving things to Goku immediately and I like that it fleshed out the layout of the cave's security a bit.
Episode 52 - The extensions of some scenes and the overall direction really enhanced these events compared to the manga. Things such as showing the scale of the water cavern Kuririn and Bulma had to dive through really makes Kuririn's physical capabilities more impressive, as well as Blue's with him not struggling at all. The constant cuts between Kuririn/Bulma and Goku's events helps amp up the tension with the introduction of another trap that makes the pirates' security far more thought out than in the manga.
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Only about halfway, with Kuririn needing to carry her for the rest of it due to her struggling to hold her breath.ahill1 said:
Episode 53 - Goku VS Blue is a decent fight, packing in a sense of tension with comedy and being one where strength alone wasn't a deciding factor, unlike many that would come after it. It seems a bit strange the Dragon Ball would've landed perfectly in the skull's mouth, though I can excuse it as getting washed into there through the bottom of the skull.
Episode 54 is the first where I'd say the cons definitely outnumber the pros as there's a lot of noticeable problems to it. The most obvious one is how did Blue survive the cave's collapse perfectly fine when it was suggested even Galu probably couldn't do so? We never even get to see how he got out from under the rock, much less got washed away without a scratch. Also, Bulma says she hasn't even had her first kiss yet. A girl who flaunts her sexuality around all the time hasn't even moved to that stage when dating Yamucha for at least 8 months? Damn, her dad was right about her going to slow
Kuririn then tries to sniff the diamond...even though him having no nose or ability to smell was part of the Bacterian fight and Roshi gets intimidated by Lunch's bullets when he was grabbing bullets no problem a few episodes ago? Those last 2 points would be fine if DB was still purely a gag series at this point, though the blend of seriousness it started to undertake at this point makes them less excusable.I do like that Goku showed his sense of gratitude in saving the mouse and his quick thinking with the Kamehameha.
Episode 55 - The part with Blue tying the group up and leaving a bomb to finish them off is a major part that allows the arc to stand out as something that couldn't be replicated in later arcs when the power creep became too much and really highlights the variation in events the RRA Arc had over the plot lines of ones where fighting became the only way of getting 90% of things done. Also, Lunch actually gets to do something of worth.
The Penguin Village events coming up are ones that make a nice tribute to Toriyama's previous work. Not much to say for them in this episode though.
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As for Roshi being intimidated by Lunch's shot gun, I think he just goes easy on her due to her being a woman. He even showed surprise at Goku not holding back when kicking Lunch prior to the Budôkai when she turned into blonde Lunch right before their training was about to begin. I think it's a mix of gag--ish intance and Lunch being a woman.
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[mention]ahill1[/mention] Him having some loss in shouki and yuuki could make sense, though him still not being able to defend himself against the bullets is questionable. I don't think it being a gag (which the tone of the scene doesn't suggest) would help when this was a point in the story where things were starting to get more serious.
Episodes 56 and 57 - Of the several Dragon Ball-Dr. Slump crossovers done throughout the years, the original still remains the best. Along with tying into the plot of DB and not being complete filler, Even without knowledge of Dr. Slump, the anime allows it to stand on its own by showing a lot of the Dr. Slump cast and how they react to the idea of the RRA being in Penguin Village, allowing for a nice mix of the tones and differences of both series that doesn't rely on 4th wall breaks like Arale's cameo in Super. It's as though Toei put more effort into the crossover than Toriyama did here, which is what a good adaption should aim to do. Shame this passion dwindled in later arcs.
Also, Blue survived the explosion of his plane into a mountain with only light injuries. It could be attributed to the gag logic surrounding Penguin Village, though him simply having godly durability certainly makes him surviving the cave collapse more believable. Hell, Goku even assumed he'd still be alive after seeing Arale knock him over the horizon.
Episode 58 - The events at the start of the episode do a good job showing us the daily lives of Bora and Oopa before Yellow shows up. Also, even before the bullet tanking he does with his all natural GAINZ, Bora has yet another badass feat in the anime by shielding Oopa with his back from several volcanic rocks. It both makes Bora even more of one of DB's underrated badasses and further shows how impressive Taopaipai oneshotting him will be.
I find it strange how the dub mistranslated Yellow's title as Captain rather than Colonel, the latter of which it is in the manga and Japanese anime. Colonel makes more sense, considering Red shouldn't really be surprised by him not living up to his expectations in finding the DBs if he's an even lower rank than Silver. On the subject of names, the change of Black's rank from Adjundant in the manga to Adviser/Staff Officer in the anime causes the anime to have his full title be prounounced as "Black Sanbo" in Japanese. This is probably the best pun in the entire series
Blue knocking a soldier into the wall causes a bloodstain to be left on the bricks. Probably the most graphic death in the anime at that point and helps show the RRA Arc as being the transitioning point of DB's tone. On the flipside, you have Taopaipai's introduction serving as a balance of both tones. Despite his serious appearance and the professional nature to his voice, there's an inflection to it at the end that presents a little bit of light-heartedness and certainly ties into his "Aloha!" introduction when arriving at the land of Karin.
Episodes 56 and 57 - Of the several Dragon Ball-Dr. Slump crossovers done throughout the years, the original still remains the best. Along with tying into the plot of DB and not being complete filler, Even without knowledge of Dr. Slump, the anime allows it to stand on its own by showing a lot of the Dr. Slump cast and how they react to the idea of the RRA being in Penguin Village, allowing for a nice mix of the tones and differences of both series that doesn't rely on 4th wall breaks like Arale's cameo in Super. It's as though Toei put more effort into the crossover than Toriyama did here, which is what a good adaption should aim to do. Shame this passion dwindled in later arcs.
Also, Blue survived the explosion of his plane into a mountain with only light injuries. It could be attributed to the gag logic surrounding Penguin Village, though him simply having godly durability certainly makes him surviving the cave collapse more believable. Hell, Goku even assumed he'd still be alive after seeing Arale knock him over the horizon.
Episode 58 - The events at the start of the episode do a good job showing us the daily lives of Bora and Oopa before Yellow shows up. Also, even before the bullet tanking he does with his all natural GAINZ, Bora has yet another badass feat in the anime by shielding Oopa with his back from several volcanic rocks. It both makes Bora even more of one of DB's underrated badasses and further shows how impressive Taopaipai oneshotting him will be.
I find it strange how the dub mistranslated Yellow's title as Captain rather than Colonel, the latter of which it is in the manga and Japanese anime. Colonel makes more sense, considering Red shouldn't really be surprised by him not living up to his expectations in finding the DBs if he's an even lower rank than Silver. On the subject of names, the change of Black's rank from Adjundant in the manga to Adviser/Staff Officer in the anime causes the anime to have his full title be prounounced as "Black Sanbo" in Japanese. This is probably the best pun in the entire series
Blue knocking a soldier into the wall causes a bloodstain to be left on the bricks. Probably the most graphic death in the anime at that point and helps show the RRA Arc as being the transitioning point of DB's tone. On the flipside, you have Taopaipai's introduction serving as a balance of both tones. Despite his serious appearance and the professional nature to his voice, there's an inflection to it at the end that presents a little bit of light-heartedness and certainly ties into his "Aloha!" introduction when arriving at the land of Karin.
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Episode 59 - It's funny how Blue comments on him not being able to be killed so easily, as though Toriyama's aware of how extra thicc his plot armour was Then, we see Taopaipai annihilate him. I like the addition of Blue's psychic powers not working on Taopaipai as it provides a pretty solid ceiling to Blue's capabilities, something that would need to be defined as to not raise the question of how he's not a one-man army at this point. Taopaipai then kills him using his tongue to strike a pressure point that not just shows off his skill, but also serves as the most unique and impressive stomp match in the franchise. This is followed by him tearing out a concrete pillar and surfing on it. Can we all just appreciate how Taopaipai did the most badass sequence of events in the series?
I also like the ost used for Oopa and Bora, particularly when it's used for Bora's death at the end of the episode. Taopaipai saying "Aloha!" when he lands helps present him as both a serious assassin and having a playful side.
Episode 60 - Goku surviving due to the four star ball around his chest was the right way to have a plot convenience, since it's entirely plausible rather than some deus ex machina like his later survival against Piccolo Daimao. I also like the addition made of Goku remembering needing to help Oopa and defeat Taopaipai as additional motivation for making the climb. It acts as a good case of resolve being used to increase performance in a Shonen, since it has some real world application to additional resolve allowing greater performance in certain exercises, rather than just being a power up resolve or some other kind of cheap plot convenience.
Episode 61 - Goku arrives by sunset in the anime. This is one change that wasn't for the better, since I prefer the difficulty the manga conveys by showing the first climb as taking a full day. Another change in the sequence of events is the reveal of Senzu not being revealed until the following episode despite this one covering Karin's revelation of Roshi taking 3 years to catch him.
I like the anime's idea of Karin having waters that can allow him to see the past, present and future. The way in which it's revealed makes it apparent it only applies personally to the person looking at the water as to not become some plot hole in not being used later, as well as offering some explanation as to how Karin has the ability to easily know what's happening below.
Another great piece of filler is Taopaipai's actions in the town. Deflecting a bullet back at the assassin with a slipper is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect of the world's greatest assassin and him going into a boiling bath whilst using it to boil an egg serves to both show how incredibly Taopaipai's body has been trained and the eccentricity to his personality. Taopaipai was easily the most badass character in the series at this point and it's a shame how much of a joke he became not long after.
Then, we see Taopaipai annihilate him. I like the addition of Blue's psychic powers not working on Taopaipai as it provides a pretty solid ceiling to Blue's capabilities, something that would need to be defined as to not raise the question of how he's not a one-man army at this point. Taopaipai then kills him using his tongue to strike a pressure point that not just shows off his skill, but also serves as the most unique and impressive stomp match in the franchise. This is followed by him tearing out a concrete pillar and surfing on it. Can we all just appreciate how Taopaipai did the most badass sequence of events in the series?I also like the ost used for Oopa and Bora, particularly when it's used for Bora's death at the end of the episode. Taopaipai saying "Aloha!" when he lands helps present him as both a serious assassin and having a playful side.
Episode 60 - Goku surviving due to the four star ball around his chest was the right way to have a plot convenience, since it's entirely plausible rather than some deus ex machina like his later survival against Piccolo Daimao. I also like the addition made of Goku remembering needing to help Oopa and defeat Taopaipai as additional motivation for making the climb. It acts as a good case of resolve being used to increase performance in a Shonen, since it has some real world application to additional resolve allowing greater performance in certain exercises, rather than just being a power up resolve or some other kind of cheap plot convenience.
Episode 61 - Goku arrives by sunset in the anime. This is one change that wasn't for the better, since I prefer the difficulty the manga conveys by showing the first climb as taking a full day. Another change in the sequence of events is the reveal of Senzu not being revealed until the following episode despite this one covering Karin's revelation of Roshi taking 3 years to catch him.
I like the anime's idea of Karin having waters that can allow him to see the past, present and future. The way in which it's revealed makes it apparent it only applies personally to the person looking at the water as to not become some plot hole in not being used later, as well as offering some explanation as to how Karin has the ability to easily know what's happening below.
Another great piece of filler is Taopaipai's actions in the town. Deflecting a bullet back at the assassin with a slipper is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect of the world's greatest assassin and him going into a boiling bath whilst using it to boil an egg serves to both show how incredibly Taopaipai's body has been trained and the eccentricity to his personality. Taopaipai was easily the most badass character in the series at this point and it's a shame how much of a joke he became not long after.
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I always found it strange how Tao Pai Pai didn't recognize Goku as a Turtle School student based on his dogi, or maybe he did but just didn't comment on it. The real answer is just that Toriyama didn't come up with the idea of the Crane School at this point in the story yet.
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Could be that Taopaipai wasn't as privy to details on the Turtle School as his brother was until after his revival as a cyborg, considering the interactions between the Turtle and Crane Schools is a pretty blank void as far as we know between Mutaito's death and the 22nd TB. I think the idea of him not commenting on it works best though since it offers an extra layer to him using the Dodonpa in response to being hit with a Kamehameha, having its potency compared to the Kamehameha's ineffectiveness act an insult to his brother's rival.
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I'm split about the added up Tenshinhan scenes as the Budôkai being good or bad for the story. On one hand, it helps hammering the point tbat Tenshinhan was an asshole and adds to the intensity of the conflict between him and the Kame's students, adding a little more of sauce to his battles against Yamcha and Goku. On the other hand though, portraying him as that much of a conceited arrogant ass makes his change of personality more rushed and more "all of a sudden". In a filler we have the portrayal of him beating up a certain fighter to the point this latter became crippled for the rest of his life, so him turning over a new leaf that quick would seem a little harder to swallow with those added up scenes.
Some add ups like the day separating the semi-finals to the decisive match with Tsuru trying to attack Goku and Tenshinhan's visible annoyance towards Tao Pai Pai's defeat with him meditating prior to the final match were good add ups intensifying what the Tenkai'chi culminated in.
Some add ups like the day separating the semi-finals to the decisive match with Tsuru trying to attack Goku and Tenshinhan's visible annoyance towards Tao Pai Pai's defeat with him meditating prior to the final match were good add ups intensifying what the Tenkai'chi culminated in.
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I'd chalk up a major part of that to be through Tsuru Sennin's influence and his aspiration to be like Taopaipai having him put on a front to some extent. He made it apparent he wanted to be an assassin like Taopaipai, yet the fact he never actually killed any of his opponents shows there was still a clear divide between them.ahill1 said:
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Episode 62 - The additional scenes of Goku learning how to predict an opponent's movements helped sell the idea of him picking up all of the teachings within Karin's training. It does raise a thought concerning Taopaipai and references to him in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai as I wonder if Roshi and Tsuru Sennin's initial disbelief that Goku could best Taopaipai had to do with his skill rather than power and learning to read his opponent's movements being a key reason as to how he dominated Taopaipai. It'd certainly clear up that aspect of the 22nd TB.
During this, we have a filler scene showing blonde Lunch interacting casually with the Kame House group. This is some good filler as, along with the previous filler of Roshi negotiating with her, it helps show Lunch's blonde self warming up to the group; unlike the manga where we're left to assume she got used to Kame House during Goku and Kuririn's 8 month training.
I also like the scene of Taopaipai negotiating prices with the tailor and ultimately killing him Kenshiro-style. It shows a good deal of how Taopaipai interacts even in a casual setting and his "Keep the change" does a good job showing his dark sense of humour.
Episode 63 - Out of the many Goku arriving on the battlefield and overpowering his opponent scenes to come, I'd say none of them surpass the Goku VS Taopaipai rematch (except maybe Goku VS Nappa due to the weight of the losses suffered beforehand) with how Goku not only shows his gains, but also the honing of the genuine martial arts skills learned from his training. I also like the idea of Taopaipai deciding to climb Karin-to to gain strength rather than foolishly continuing to attack Galu head-on.
I must say that the filler scene with Roshi's distraction is one that actually works better in the dub. Having the punchline be he named one of the seagulls Goku rather than just mistaking seagulls for Goku is far better comedy. Speaking of comedy, I can see why Black chose to follow Red if the former can't even tell when the latter wants a cigar
Episode 64 - I can understand Goku letting Taopaipai go to Karin as he knows what gains Taopaipai will make from barely any of the training would not be that great, though being so content as to just go to sleep when he could arrive any time is pretty questionable. I can chalk this up to his body being naturally prepared for it after what Karin's training entailed though.
Karin confirming his tower is made up of something called "heaven stone" is a nice addition. Shame later media never expanded on it, as it could've made for a decent fetch quest in Kakarot. The dark Kinto Un Karin provides Taopaipai is also interesting as I don't think the Piccolo Daimao Arc, where it'd be confirmed the Kinto Un come from Karin-to, had even commenced at the time this episode aired. Considering Karin can naturally will who can ride it though, it makes sense why it wouldn't be used by other characters in the anime though.
Taopaipai being severely injured by a grenade when Blue could survive all sorts of shit is disappointing, though I could believe the world's greatest assassin simply has access to explosives that are that potent.
Episode 65 - I like the scenes at Kame House. Lunch not getting angry when Bulma shouts at her does a good job highlighting how she's no longer antagonistic to the group. I do have to question how an old man who's been without technology for so long on his island can perfectly control the drone via a keyboard. It seems the perverted side of the hermit status is a pathway to abilities some consider to be unnatural
It's good that the anime tried to flesh out Colonel Violet somewhat rather than making her essentially a glorified background character. I could've done without a pretty blatant ripoff of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it's still better than nothing in helping flesh out Violet as being fairly selfish yet having a soft spot for animals. It's strange that the subs incorrectly translate Copper as General Kappa despite the obvious naming scheme. I guess you could headcanon it to Kappa being his true name now that Kakarot has revealed the RRA's naming scheme are codenames.
"Moreu Heart Ribbon Ribbon Gun Yattsukero" that's used at the end is easily my favourite insert song in the arc, and an arguable contender for best in the original series along with Mezase Tenkaichi. Too bad it only had one opportunity to be used in the series.
During this, we have a filler scene showing blonde Lunch interacting casually with the Kame House group. This is some good filler as, along with the previous filler of Roshi negotiating with her, it helps show Lunch's blonde self warming up to the group; unlike the manga where we're left to assume she got used to Kame House during Goku and Kuririn's 8 month training.
I also like the scene of Taopaipai negotiating prices with the tailor and ultimately killing him Kenshiro-style. It shows a good deal of how Taopaipai interacts even in a casual setting and his "Keep the change" does a good job showing his dark sense of humour.
Episode 63 - Out of the many Goku arriving on the battlefield and overpowering his opponent scenes to come, I'd say none of them surpass the Goku VS Taopaipai rematch (except maybe Goku VS Nappa due to the weight of the losses suffered beforehand) with how Goku not only shows his gains, but also the honing of the genuine martial arts skills learned from his training. I also like the idea of Taopaipai deciding to climb Karin-to to gain strength rather than foolishly continuing to attack Galu head-on.
I must say that the filler scene with Roshi's distraction is one that actually works better in the dub. Having the punchline be he named one of the seagulls Goku rather than just mistaking seagulls for Goku is far better comedy. Speaking of comedy, I can see why Black chose to follow Red if the former can't even tell when the latter wants a cigar
Episode 64 - I can understand Goku letting Taopaipai go to Karin as he knows what gains Taopaipai will make from barely any of the training would not be that great, though being so content as to just go to sleep when he could arrive any time is pretty questionable. I can chalk this up to his body being naturally prepared for it after what Karin's training entailed though.
Karin confirming his tower is made up of something called "heaven stone" is a nice addition. Shame later media never expanded on it, as it could've made for a decent fetch quest in Kakarot. The dark Kinto Un Karin provides Taopaipai is also interesting as I don't think the Piccolo Daimao Arc, where it'd be confirmed the Kinto Un come from Karin-to, had even commenced at the time this episode aired. Considering Karin can naturally will who can ride it though, it makes sense why it wouldn't be used by other characters in the anime though.
Taopaipai being severely injured by a grenade when Blue could survive all sorts of shit is disappointing, though I could believe the world's greatest assassin simply has access to explosives that are that potent.
Episode 65 - I like the scenes at Kame House. Lunch not getting angry when Bulma shouts at her does a good job highlighting how she's no longer antagonistic to the group. I do have to question how an old man who's been without technology for so long on his island can perfectly control the drone via a keyboard. It seems the perverted side of the hermit status is a pathway to abilities some consider to be unnatural
It's good that the anime tried to flesh out Colonel Violet somewhat rather than making her essentially a glorified background character. I could've done without a pretty blatant ripoff of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it's still better than nothing in helping flesh out Violet as being fairly selfish yet having a soft spot for animals. It's strange that the subs incorrectly translate Copper as General Kappa despite the obvious naming scheme. I guess you could headcanon it to Kappa being his true name now that Kakarot has revealed the RRA's naming scheme are codenames.
"Moreu Heart Ribbon Ribbon Gun Yattsukero" that's used at the end is easily my favourite insert song in the arc, and an arguable contender for best in the original series along with Mezase Tenkaichi. Too bad it only had one opportunity to be used in the series.
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Hated the Tao Pai Pai climbing Karin Tower filler. Such a waste of time.
